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There has been talk here before, that when it comes to testing for rank, asking your instructor "can I test?" has been frowned upon as being disrespectful.
So how about this, what if it's taking you longer to test than you expected?
Are we talking about a Dan testing or a color belt testing? Usually there is a timeline or curriculum set in place for both but I do feel there is more variability in Dan testing's. If a person has had to start and stop for whatever reason that would explain a lot. I just recently tested and my last test was in 1995. My delays were a combination of life going in other directions and chronic injuries from an accident. I never fully stopped and did a lot behind the scenes but did not really get back into full swing until about three years ago.There has been talk here before, that when it comes to testing for rank, asking your instructor "can I test?" has been frowned upon as being disrespectful.
So how about this, what if it's taking you longer to test than you expected?
I'm thinking back on how we handled it with kids at my old school (where I was a student, and later an instructor). What you say about adults is very much the same approach we had (and philosophically my approach now, though I often surprise a student with a test...sometimes I even tell them it's a test). With kids, I think we mostly told them it was time to test, doing less "telling" as they got older.At my school, we do things differently depending on belt and age.
Adults, on the other hand, are generally held responsible for knowing what they know and asking to test. There are a few that we need to push into testing because they're more than ready, and need to move up.
- Kids white and yellow belts are told "test notifications are coming" and then a week later "come to my office."
- Kids purple and orange belts are told the same thing, but can ask if they're ready. If they ask, we'll check for them before we allow them to test.
- Kids in the green and blue belt are told the same thing, but can ask if they're ready. If they ask, we will go through the test items and ask them if they're confident with them.
- Kids in the red belt are asked if they're ready.
- Kids in the black belt are expected to come and ask for a belt.
As before, I think this will vary by instructor. Some (and it may be cultural, a hold-over from the origins of the art, or just some wonky idea the instructor has) won't appreciate any questions. I don't really get that concept, at all. It seems a reasonable question, and I'd be happy to answer it for any of my students.
IMO the policy of not asking to test is more about the CI avoiding fiascos than anything else. It avoids people trying to test when they haven’t met minimum times in grade, when they’re not ready, etc. It also avoids the bickering of “I’m ready” “No you’re not.” It keeps the CI from being hounded. Basically, it keeps the inmates from running the asylum.
From a respect point of view, it keeps people from thinking and/or saying they know rank standards better than the CI.
We have a policy where we don’t ask to promote; the CI invites you to test when he feels you’re ready.
Everyone is different and one way of bringing it up isn’t going to be viewed the same way for every CI. If I strongly felt I was ready to test but wasn’t invited, I would ask my CI what I needed to do to be ready. Better yet, what do I need to work on to get better.
Every school/CI does what works for them. There’s no right or wrong way to handle this IMO. If I ran a school I’d probably have the don’t ask to promote policy, but that’s most likely how it’s always been in both organizations I’ve been in.We have a window where people ask to test.
We have 150-200 students, so we take a week off of classes every other month to do testing week. Each testing week we have about 60-80 students test.
So while we are hounded, we're hounded at specific times.
Every school/CI does what works for them. There’s no right or wrong way to handle this IMO. If I ran a school I’d probably have the don’t ask to promote policy, but that’s most likely how it’s always been in both organizations I’ve been in.
To me it depends on how you ask. For a mock situation: It generally takes someone 6 months to go from 2nd kyu to 1st kyu. It's been 7 months and you haven't heard anything.There has been talk here before, that when it comes to testing for rank, asking your instructor "can I test?" has been frowned upon as being disrespectful.
So how about this, what if it's taking you longer to test than you expected?
My thoughts exactly. Where there’s a don’t ask to test policy, if you say you should be testing then you’re basically telling your teacher you know the standards better than he does. And if that’s the case, why are you training there to begin with?To me it depends on how you ask. For a mock situation: It generally takes someone 6 months to go from 2nd kyu to 1st kyu. It's been 7 months and you haven't heard anything.
If you mention it seems to be taking longer, and you want to know what you're lacking so you can work on it, IMO that's perfectly fine.
If you mention it seems to be taking longer, and you feel you should test, that could sound like you are informing the teacher that you know more than him/her about when someone needs to test.
It's all in the presentation.
For many people it’s not a simple “okay no worries.” If everyone acted like a normal human being, there’d be a lot less eggshells to walk on.I don't get the issue with asking to test, if I'm paying to train and I want to advance I have every right to ask it. If I am testing I want to know to step up my training and if I'm not I'll want to know so I can train harder so I can next time. I've asked numerous times if I'm testing. Not because I was that bothered but simply I felt I should no. The conversation usually went like this.
"Hey am I testing this time round?"
Either
"Yeah your testing"
"Sweet cheers."
Or
"No not this time sorry."
"Okay no worries"
That's it it's a simple question with a simple answer no big deal
You beat me to it this time. Gonna second what @JR 137 said. Unfortunately, people don't always stop the convo there.For many people it’s not a simple “okay no worries.” If everyone acted like a normal human being, there’d be a lot less eggshells to walk on.