If you equate proficiency with the ability to point spar, then I suppose one must spar to achieve proficiency in that.
Yes I know someone who only trained forms. They didn't do well with sparring. No matter what you do in life the rule is the same. "You get good by doing"
No I would never say that Bill. Sparring isn't everything and I think there's tons of benefits of other types of training like the ones I listed, forms, kihon, 1 steps etc. I've only met 2 people who used that training style at my old mma gym. One was actually pretty good and went on to fight mma. The other had all the techniques down but didn't have the fighters instinct. I think mindset is most important. I'm just curious if someone like Daniel son from karate kid who mostly does kata how would he really do in competition?
Thanks for the post. Yeah if someone never learned to swim and just jumped in a 20 foot pool and there was no lifeguard or anyone to help they would probably drown. I remember the first time I sparred and got punched in the face I thought I was tough but it dazed me, then I went on to spar for 6 months in a row and the punches didn't faze me as much, but if Tyson punched me I'd go night night and when I wake up I'd think I was in 2nd grade lol
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I'm glad you noted a difference between karate proficiency and sparring, especially tournament point sparring. They are two completely different things.
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While sparring in karate can help develop certain skills, it cannot replicate even 50% of "real" karate's true nature as I detailed in my post as many techniques cannot be fully executed without serious injury. In this regard, wrestling is different. Yes, a lot of wrestling techniques have the potential to cause severe injury, but not to the extent that karate can.
Post #3 is not my post.
If you can punch on your opponent's shoulder (or next to his head) with full power, your opponent will understand his weakness. You can also just punch 30% with your power.
Realistically, Daniel would not do very well. Training muscle memory movements in preparation for fighting may be effective, but takes an extremely long time. Martial arts used to be something people dedicated their lives to, which is perhaps why constant technique repetition seemed to be effective. Karatekas in Japan used to only have one or two students, perhaps a handful of them if they were lucky. In other words, they did not have many training partners; they were forced to test the effectiveness of their techniques and style by picking fights outside on the street, or continuously drill techniques on their own for hours at a time. The average martial artist in those times, was much more serious about fighting and martial arts than the average martial artist now. This is because now we have the commodities of affordable living, and treating martial arts as a way to stay fit or a hobby, rather than as something to be perfected and developed.
He said Point #3, not post #3. From your post #8.
To be fair, Daniel-san gets his *** beaten in for most of the first movie, then learns karate. Not the other way around.
Post title question was "Anyone ever met someone who only trains forms and basics?"
Some people rise to the occasion. Some do not. Nobody in the military trains by actually killing people, do they? So all training is simulation. When in combat, some fire their weapons at the enemy and some do not. The military knows well it is impossible to know ahead of time who will and who will not. Training with simulation is what can be done to prepare. Kata is simulation in that sense. Even sparring isn't self-defense, which is essentially what sparring is intended to represent.
The general argument in favor of sparring is that you need experience in actually applying your techniques against someone who is trying their best to not allow you to do so, while at the same time the other person is doing their best to apply their techniques to you and defeat your defenses. In addition, sparring can develop the mental toughness to deal with getting hit and continuing to fight.
All the more reason to train at home and not just the school. At home traing may allow exploration that the school doesn't do.
We had a black belt come in once who trained in "real jujitsu"
But we know how Daniel-San faired in competition!
