Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?

[Prince_Alarming]

Yo other trucker yo other trucker yo other trucker yo
HIT THAT FUNKY RYTHM MASTER WONG

 

[Prince_Alarming]

I do apologise I won't do that again

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I do apologise I won't do that again

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Yo other trucker yo other trucker yo other trucker yo
HIT THAT FUNKY RYTHM MASTER WONG

What happened here? Record skipping?

 

[JowGaWolf]

But the problem i have is that as i punch hard, the gloves which as skin, has friction to the knuckels inside the gloves.

I have this issue as well with gloves that are loose. The gloves that I use are a little tight so there's not much room to move. I have heard people say to train with work gloves instead of boxing gloves with the fingers cut off, but I have not done this myself. If I were to use work gloves, I would probably use tape to tighten the gloves. Boxing gloves and MMA gloves are generally fit sizes at the best.

 

[HighKick]

That never happened, the part about you claiming I boasted about anything skill related.

What are you talking about "tough".

All I've posted is boxing 101 hand protection guidance from experts.

Personality disorder. Really.

I think this is a terrible summary of my posts here.

And I think you are the one with a reading comprehension problem, since I've been very clearly representing very basic, time tested combat sports wisdom.

Let's recap, the thread title is "

Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?​

That's an injury that can be easily avoided with tape, wraps, and when necessary gloves.

Listen, if you feel it's your job to defend people with poor training, hitting things with no hand or wrist protection, and then turning around and claiming people like me promoting protective prophylactics, maybe you are also part of the problem with martial arts today.

Just so we're clear, your status as a moderator means you are here to keep the peace and I get that.

But let other people fight their own battles. I have been patronized in this thread for promoting hand protection, in a thread about skin breaks by people claiming to be Martial artists.

Unreal.

Personality disorder. Really.

The first accurate thing You have said since I have seen Any of your post. Granted, I could add a couple more disorders to the list but so be it.
And why you seem proud of that is beyond me.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

What happened here? Record skipping?

More like 'record mincing'

 

[Sammy Naur]

The first accurate thing You have said since I have seen Any of your post. Granted, I could add a couple more disorders to the list but so be it.
And why you seem proud of that is beyond me.

So, where did you get your degree in psychiatry?

It really seems like you are projecting. And your attempt at being clever with that edit is sad, quite frankly.

Again, I am noticing a trend here of a couple of mods and posters attempting to suddenly disown my rational attempts at argument, with heavy handed attempts at being disingenuous.

What's next, you're going to call me autistic?

 

[Sammy Naur]

There are lots of good reasons for boxers and ring fighters to wrap and tape and glove, no one is debating that. We are giving our experiences of how we train, you don’t have to like that. If you are getting injured as often as you say, then you really aren’t taking care of yourself very well. You still haven’t told us how long you’ve been training, your experience, or your age. This basically gives you troll status at this point. You keep prattling on and on, trying to convince people by insulting them, that’s literally what trolls do.

That's a weird thing to claim, since quite a few people here are "debating that".

And now you are on the "taking care of yourself" train.

I haven't shared my training, experience, age? "You still haven't told us". That's funny, I spent the last year sharing information about myself.

You're the troll here. Look at your posting history, vs. mine.

Don't patronize me. I've put you on my blocked list "Grandmaster".

 

[Sammy Naur]

Well no, it isn’t.

That's a ridiculous thing to state, in the context of this thread.

Once again, if you have any experience in full contact fighting, some of the suggestions in this thread about protecting your wrists and hands are just stupid, and none of them are mine, mate.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Not crowing about anything, not bragging, not giving advice, just stating my experience. Don’t like it, don’t do it. As a matter of fact don’t do the palm strike on trees and walls without a teacher

As for bare fist and a heavy bag, when i started back in 1972 and into the 90s (and even today for that matter) the idea was, and is, in an actual fights, you don’t stop and put on gloves before it starts. We don’t use gloves training with the mook jong in Wing Chun, and they didn’t in JKD either on the mook.

Hurt with boxing gloves, yup, mostly my wrist, because training without them for years and then trying a pair, the angle of your wrist at which you hit the bag is off because your point of impact has changed by the thickness of the glove. Tried to correct it, still wasn’t right, so i went to MMA fingerless gloves

Now i suppose i could wrap my wrist, oh wait, i tried that, but it came back to this. At no point, in a real out of the ring fight, will i have time to wrap my wrists, put on gloves and then start the fight. But if that is what you do and how you train, awesome, keep it up. I have nothing against it, it is just not for me and not how I train

NOTE: now before it starts, yes, i have had multiple fights, had a job that required it, and at no point did i ever punch or kick anyone, that could get you sued. Did joint lock, restrain, wrestle, sweep/trip and take folks down. And yes, i have sparred with and without gloves. And you are much more likely to get hurt without, or at least the person getting hit is, I don’t recommend not wearing some type of glove for sparring. But i prefer sparring with MMA fingerless gloves because you can grab. I simply cannot get the hang of boxing gloves.

Ok, I get that you've had some experience. But this is not about "in a real fight". We're talking about training.

And I can tell most people here have never, ever, been in a fist fight.

But seriously, wrapping up your wrists and hands is boxing 101. Regardless of the type of glove you might put on in full contact, be it boxing, MMA or some backyard nonsense, you're trying to protect your critical digits.

Which again brings me back to the main topic. "

Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?"​

I honestly think some of you are so drunk, you can't even keep up with this simple topic.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Dude, please. C’mon, you can do better than that.

Wrapping your own hands is a royal pain in the ash. Whether you’re using actual boxing wraps or underwrap and white hockey tape, it doesn’t matter. Before a fight you utilize what’s available to you.

So, okay, if you’re wrapping your own hands, or your trainer/cornerman wrapped them for you, where is the most likely place you have to snip your tape/wraps with bandage scissors (trauma shears or utility scissors) because they’re too tight and you realize, oh sheet, my hand is going to sleep?

Of course it's nice if you have a trainer or cornerman do it. I've put on wraps with my own teeth!

 

[Sammy Naur]

Oh c’mon son, nobody is patronizing you.

Stop gaslighting.

I never claimed 500 years of experience, kiddo. I wish I would live that long but I doubt it’s in the cards.

This is a weird thing to counter-claim. Nobody claimed you had 500 years of anything.

I have, but never by a “trained professional”. I did not find it helpful. I found it unnecessary, for my purposes. Which are likely to be different from your purposes. Which is why I’ve said several times, you do you, I’ll do me.

Honest question: have you ever tried working on the heavy bag without gloves, wraps, or tape?

Of course, and it was foolish.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Setting aside any arguments about whether to wrap or not wrap the hands ...

Seriously?

Do I not appear serious?

I've been training martial arts for 44 years and combat sports (Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, Boxing & Sumo) for about 26 years. Much of my time in combat sports has been spent working with professional and amateur fighters (Boxing, MMA, and Muay Thai). Some of the people I've trained with have been regional, national, or even world champions. I've had injuries. My friends/coaches/training partners who have fought professionally have had injuries.

I've never seen anyone in our gym or the pro fighter gyms or the Judo dojos I've visited getting injured 3-4 times per week. Even 3-4 injuries per month would be way too many. Unless you're counting every bump or bruise as an injury, that just isn't sustainable.

It's weird that you keep focusing on this "3-4 times per week" thing, because if you look back through the thread you'll see what it represents.

Are you seriously suggesting you've trained for 26 years and come home with no injuries weekly? This suggests your martial arts training is, quite honestly, light and little or no contact.

I'm hoping your statement was hyperbole. If not, please do yourself a favor and find a way to adjust your training to be safer. Being continually injured doesn't make you a better fighter. It just means that your martial arts career is going to be unnecessarily short.

I should "adjust my training"?

"Martial arts career" That's an interesting statement. Do you think your own martial arts are a "career"? If so, what's your amateur or professional record?

 

[Sammy Naur]

To join this more recent issue, my impression about the difference in need for wrapping HANDS and WRISTS based on my admittdetly limited experience (just a few years) is this:

1. If you have a sport were boxing gloves are used, then I do see a larger need to wrapping due to its IMO at least, impossible for form a proper tensed stable fist with stable wrists inside a glove. I personally dont like that feeling. So in order to not hurt hurself when usign such gloves and striking HARD, I think some wrapping might possibly make sense.

2. withtout glove or with think gloves where you can form a proper wrist you get more natural stability, and tight wrapping of hands and wrists I find (I tried it) seems to seriousy contrains and inhibit by wrist mobility, which is annoying, but good in the sense that it "locks" the wrist into a safter position. But then you learn to rely on this support.

So i might see that suggesting that BOXERS should not wrap their hands may not be the best advice, but this is not necessariyl the same as to say that those doing contact sports without boxing gloves, should wrap their hands?

To tape KNUCKLES or to have thing gloves, for me has nothing todo with hand or wrist support, it's simplyto save SKIN.

Listen, please.

When training, you wrap your hands to protect your bones, ligaments, and tendons from damage while hitting objects (human or non human).

When fighting, regardless of context, it's also helpful.

This is not a "my art vs your art" discussion. There are plenty of people in this thread who clearly believe they wouldn't break their hands trying to punch another person in the face. And those are the people who have probably never punched anyone in the face, or been punched in the face.

 

[Sammy Naur]

I've only ever fought at the amateur level and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another regarding the makiwara.

But Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson would disagree with you. And I'd venture to say that he has more professional fight experience than anyone currently active on this forum.

Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson's opinion is one anecdote. If anything it's a good example of the fact that people like him like to hit all sorts of things.

And I'm not trying to disenfranchise the makiwara, just trying to point out it's old and antiquated compared to, say, the modern heavy bag. Let's be honest, there are a thousand full contact, amateur and pro fighters out there who don't use it.

But there are legions of delusional martial artists who smash one every day thinking they have iron fists.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Ok, I get that you've had some experience. But this is not about "in a real fight". We're talking about training.

And I can tell most people here have never, ever, been in a fist fight.

But seriously, wrapping up your wrists and hands is boxing 101. Regardless of the type of glove you might put on in full contact, be it boxing, MMA or some backyard nonsense, you're trying to protect your critical digits.

Which again brings me back to the main topic. "

Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?"​

I honestly think some of you are so drunk, you can't even keep up with this simple topic.

Good, then wrap your wrist, never said you shouldn’t.

Never been part of my training for 53 years, and the majority of that was hitting heavy bags, rather hard, and walls and then palm strike training on trees and walls. Admittedly martial arts of today is not as rough as it was when i was starting, but it was how i began and how i trained.

My TKD teacher back in the late 70s thought the whole idea of protective gear was pretty funny since you don’t have it in a fight. But there was talk of it becoming an olympic sport and some of his students talked him into it. He split the class into Olympic and non-Olympic. I went the non-Olympic side

If it wrapping works for you, great, i’m not a boxer, have no intention of getting in a ring to be one either. Don’t like boxing gloves, not going to wrap wrists and not interested in boxing 101, because Traditional Martial Arts 101does not wrap wrists to train

And I honestly think your a young guy so full of you can’t see there are other viable ways to train and train hard. Not all styles are the same

And by the way, I don’t t drink, don’t appreciate the inference. And if you can’t respond without insults, then please don’t respond

 

[Same Trick]

How about foot wrapping in full contact, that still not as common as hand wrapping it seems

 

[Prince_Alarming]

Again, I am noticing a trend here of a couple of mods and posters attempting to suddenly disown my rational attempts at argument, with heavy handed attempts at being disingenuous.

Not at all, we're simply taking the piss

 

[Xue Sheng]

How about foot wrapping in full contact, that still not as common as hand wrapping it seems

Whole body wrap would be best in some cases