Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?

[Fungus]

I do kyokushin, and I avoid bulky bags or wristwraps. I like to strenghten my wrists by punching hard without support. All that is working fine and has for years.

The only reason i wear some bag gloves (not boxing gloves) is to avoid ripping the skin of the knuckels. I don't think it's the skin i want to strenghten, it's by wrists and hand strength. But the problem i have is that as i punch hard, the gloves which as skin, has friction to the knuckels inside the gloves.

I tried boxing gloves, and i tried boxing wraps but I don't like them. I like to be are bare as possible. So the compromise is thta i have put some kinesology tape ontop of my knuckles, under the gloves. This actually doe the trick - but after one hour of sweat and heavy punhcing, the loosen even fall out of the fingers! Last time I was wondering who lost tape in room, but it was me, and and after the training both my punching knuckles on both hands where bleeding and the tape was off. And during sparring, this tends to get going again and i get blood all over everyone.

So do you guys have any better tricks?
I have these type of gloves, which are the thinnest i have found that I like. I tried also several models of mma and tkd gloves buy they dont fit nice.

And I tape the knuckles, NOT hard for support, just to cover the top of hte knuckle skin. But after 30 mins it detaches. Any better ideas? I think the problem is i punch hard, maybe harder that i have to. But I like the kind of training, but the knuckle skin goes. I am considering perhaps taping around, instead of ontop and see if it helps. I do not wrap the hands, I just put one stripe litteraly ontop of the knuckles. not on the inside of hte hand.

It also occured to me that the gloves shoulgh the tighter? right now they are a bit loose.. so my hands has some wiggle room inside - is that the problem?

 

[Flying Crane]

If your knuckles scrape across the bag, the skin will tear. You need to land the punch as straight as possible. Canvas bags will tear your knuckles. Find a bag made from a different material, like vinyl. Then you can put aside the gloves and tape.

 

[isshinryuronin]

If your knuckles scrape across the bag, the skin will tear. You need to land the punch as straight as possible.

Very true.

Canvas bags will tear your knuckles.

I left a lot of skin (and blood) on my old dojo's canvas bag, but what better way to teach landing a square punch.
The same with the rope wrapped makiwara. Brings back fond memories.

 

[Flying Crane]

Very true.

I left a lot of skin (and blood) on my old dojo's canvas bag, but what better way to teach landing a square punch.
The same with the rope wrapped makiwara. Brings back fond memories.

It’s not sustainable as a training habit. The scabs take time to heal, and that is time you cannot do this type of training. Basic sanitary hygiene and courtesy says leaving your blood lying around on shared equipment and working out with people when your knuckles are a ripped-up bloody mess is going to leave you without any training partners. Maybe things were different in the past.

 

[Sammy Naur]

If your knuckles scrape across the bag, the skin will tear. You need to land the punch as straight as possible. Canvas bags will tear your knuckles. Find a bag made from a different material, like vinyl.

This is true.

Then you can put aside the gloves and tape.

Never do this.

Always tape, always wrap, and when possible, always glove.

The legions of grapplers I know whose fingers are all useless now, never realized how important it was to protect yourself at all times.

It's the "hardcore hand training", "I use a makiwara", and "my fists are iron forged) crowd that never seems to understand this.

It comes down to a basic fact: when training, you always want to avoid injury.

But in a fight, you may not have a choice.

 

[drop bear]

Quick wraps probably.

 

[Fungus]

If your knuckles scrape across the bag, the skin will tear. You need to land the punch as straight as possible. Canvas bags will tear your knuckles. Find a bag made from a different material, like vinyl. Then you can put aside the gloves and tape.

Yes, I get that. I certainly punch a bit without gloves at times, but when i beat the bag for and hour, and especially those times I focus on hard punching combos it still wears even when using gloves.

So my knuckles don't scrape the bag, I think when I do follow through deep punching into the bag, the knucles press hard on the inside of the gloves, and after 30 mins the skin give up.

Our bags are pretty good and smooth, so no canvas.

I train both hooks and straight punches. The hooks and especially uppercuts to the bag are the worst as the bag is straight, and when I simulate and uppervut i effectively lift the bag up as it's an upward strik, and that maybe is the worst as it has to be friction inside the gloves, that pulls the tape off soon, and the next time it's the skin. The skin wears more or less depending on the kinds of strikes I practice. But it's a pity to have to choose. I like the train all versions

 

[Fungus]

It’s not sustainable as a training habit. The scabs take time to heal, and that is time you cannot do this type of training. Basic sanitary hygiene and courtesy says leaving your blood lying around on shared equipment and working out with people when your knuckles are a ripped-up bloody mess is going to leave you without any training partners. Maybe things were different in the past.

Yes, this is the main problem, this is why i tend to tape things up. But the tape wears off in the heat. Trying to punch gently makes no sense. The skin itself is not a big deal, but it's not so nice to get blood everywhere, especially when your instructors wonders why his Gi is the only one full of red dots and I realize it's my hands

 

[Fungus]

Quick wraps probably.

You mean boxing wraps? like you start from the thumb and wind around wrist, knuckles?

I tried them but they are like 2.5m long, and it's way too much padding, my wrist gets way too much support and makes me loose wrist flexibility and I feel like my hands is plastered, and in case i want to grab or do a shotei, it's locked. I don't like that rigity at all, but I am sure its' great inside boxing gloves.