Yellow/Orange Belt Attacks (Catalysts)

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  1. Dirty Dog

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    I'm with you. I can knock him over with kicks, sure, but apparently my hand techniques lack power, since I don't knock him over with them.

    I'd like to see video from those who knock him over with their hand strikes, to see what they're doing that I'm not...
     
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    Let me save you the trouble. You are standing too far away. :)
     
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    I doubt that, since I practice at everything from kicking range to headbutt range...

    I suspect that the "knockdowns" are quite often "push downs". Nothing wrong with that, but they're not the same thing. Video examples would help to clarify.
     
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    I do a system that requires me to get close enough to kiss that Bob; so, it just isn't my thing. I'm sure it is good for someone. :)
     
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    As long as there's no tongue...
     
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    I throw a wig on it. :)
     
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    I wouldn't call it a push, I would say it was a lot of body momentum. Like the crack smoking mayor of Toronto, women fall down like Bobs when he runs into them. LOL
     
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    Interfering with your opponents vision... a common and effective technique...

    OK, so that doesn't really sound like something I'd consider a strike, unless you're talking American football... :)
    Not saying techniques like that aren't effective, but BOB was never intended to be a tackling dummy. Sometimes you need a hammer. Sometimes a wrench. Sometimes a flamethrower...
     
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    I think it is good for a scare crow. :)
     
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    But seriously, the whole point of the thread is that the attacks should be realistic, and if you have to adjust range, or pull your punch; so, as not to upset the Bob, it all becomes unrealistic. :rolleyes:
     
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    Bro, I don't know if I like a Bob or not. I've never used one! Not even a slap walking by the darn thing. Do you, or any of you other guys, use gloves? Is it pretty good without gloves? What do you like it for the most, punching, kicking? Sticks maybe?

    I know what you mean about hard wiring responses that you can't do with live people. But ain't that what green belts are for? (I kid, I kid) (a little anyway)
     
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    Gloves and/or hand wraps are a good idea if your hands have never been conditioned, but at this point I don't wear any. I find BOB to be closer to hitting a person than a conventional bag. I use him for all sorts of unarmed striking (although unlike Touch of Death I've never kissed him... [don't judge him!]). I've never used him for weapons, but I think he would work very well for sticks.
     
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    It is just the way he looks at me. I feel compelled! ;)
     
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    the things i practice on him are a lot of neck strikes; lots of forearms and elbows. you can get very close up and get a good feel for neck strikes without using your visual perception. i dont kiss him tho, even with the wig on :) i also like to do knife work, with a training knife of course and thus the real reason for the shirt. i dont use gloves but i think it might be a good idea. i just dont wear gloves. if i need some skin protection from the heavy bag canvas i use wraps. i am old fasion when it comes to power hitting, there is nothing like the good thud you get from a 100 pound canvas bag. and the "wave" water bag of the 80's was horrible im glad there gone.

    and the problem with green belts is eventually you run out. they also figure it out real quick when i call one over and every one else gives him that look that says " poor soul, poor unknowing soul"
     
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    Hey, you're not the one to always say things like that, I am. Stop trying to steal my criticism. Oh well, we can share.
     
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    Uh, yeah!
     
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    I never anyone should give back their black belt, but teaching is another issue. Oh, and just because someone's been "teaching" for 23 years, doesn't mean it been good. It just means for 23 years they found someone who thinks they can teach. Not hard with new students.
     
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    Knife work sounds interesting on Bob. I'll give it a try. As I will with striking. As for that water bag you spoke of - worst bag I've ever seen.
     
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    Hey Doc,

    I think what was referred to was post 27 on the Kenpotalk thread...

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    As I was taught in school, the props we use in our videos can either act as an aid, or a distraction. :)
     

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