Will you say something that you can't prove it?

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  1. Kung Fu Wang

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    Will you say something that you can't prove it? What if someone doesn't believe in what you have said?

    Here is an example.

    A: I have seen someone did ...
    B: I don't believe what you have said.
    A: $#%@*&^.
    B: &^%$#@.

    Your thought?
     
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    Sure. We all do. They're called opinions and everybody has them.
    I think the key is to differentiate between opinions and facts.
    And to accept that some people won't believe facts, either, no matter how much proof is provided. Let them wallow in their ignorance.
     
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    I say things I can't prove all the time. At least, things I can't prove to any of you. For instance, I'm a first degree black belt in shaolin kempo, I can't prove that to you. I could take a picture of the belt, but I could have just bought it online. I could take a picture of the certificate, but I could have forged that. I could take a video of one of my old senseis acknowledging my rank, but then I have to prove A: he is who he says he is, B: he's not lying to you for money, or C: I didn't trick him somehow. I'm sure for each attempt at one of those, I'd have something else to prove it's valid.

    Luckily, I don't care if I can prove it or not. It's your choice to make a judgment call on if you believe me. If you do, great. If not, I can try to convince you, or ignore you. No cursing you out needed.
     
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    Side note, I considered using an art that I most definitely do NOT have experience in, just to 'prove' my point
     
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    I never do that...now if you'll excuse me I have to go I'm fighting Bruce Lee this afternoon
     
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  6. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    I never say anything I can't prove......however I have no way of proving that
     
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    In that example, it's a statement of observed fact, but not provable. Yes, I'll provide what insight I can, even if it's not something I can prove (with video or other witnesses). I would hope the recipient of that information would be properly skeptical of it.
     
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    I'm putting $20 on you for the win.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
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    I'd point out that he's dead and couldn't fight, but...I can't prove that either.
     
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    Just means that he loses by forfeit.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
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    Am i the only one who found this slightly amusing when a lot of proof for martial arts is anecdotal? :p
     
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    This is where we get into the post modernist conundrum of MY TRUTH vs THE TRUTH. There is an infinite number of ways to interpret any event or truth.
     
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    Nobody can prove anything, outside of mathematics. (Proof is a purely mathematical term).

    What we can do is examine what evidence is available to us, and use that to arrive at a working conclusion which may or may not be strictly true.

    So yes, everyone says things that are not 'provable' every time they open their mouths to speak something that isn't hard math
     
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    Can you prove that only hard math is provable?
     
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    Except when it's a purely legal term, of course.

    Peace favor your sword (mobile)
     
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    Which is never. The law deals in evidence.
     
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    No, but all of the evidence seems to indicate that is true. :)
     
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    Or if your a cnc guy who is running a 3D printer who also happens to be an alcoholic....then you need to make sure your program is proven, before making your printer proof of concept,,, but not before taking a sip of that 80 proof whiskey.
     
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    I had to remind myself of this very point with some recent posts.
     

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