Discussion in 'JKD / Jeet Kune Do' started by Xue Sheng, Jul 10, 2017.
In regards to who are you posting this?
Technically everyone. My comment on the topic.
No it doesn't prove your point at all. It's a fragmented argument your using. Just to be clear, I think the art Bruce had in mind is not what it turned out to be, so in a sense we agree. My only contention is your choice argue points. The strict definition of an icon is a religious painting or a computer avatar of sorts. But in English it has a connotation of being famous to the point of being imbeded into the psychological social framework of a culture. Like the computer icon the little image represents a much larger body. This is exactly what Bruce Lee is. His name alone and even more so his image, is seen as a representation of martial arts as a whole. If we were to remove language and had an abstract phone app that was martial arts, the icon button on your phone could be Bruce Lee and everyone would understand what it was for. The only image that represents martial arts more and is more universal would be the white gi.
To say there are better martial artists out in the world is complete separate thought.
I'm talking about the person Bruce Lee, who used his actor status to promote his JKD. He had this advantage, but the things he was doing and saying were already said so many times by other people, just not on TV and it hadn't reached such a big audience.
He promoted himself as if he had seen the light and was touched by jesus himself, and the instructors that are teaching JKD these days have the same attitude (at least here in Holland).
Maybe you shouldn't look to much at language component of this thread, I think for 30% on this forum English isn't their native language. Same goes for me, we can always have a private discussion in Dutch if you want.
Well it appears 8 day short of the 44th anniversary of the death of Bruce Lee that he is still relevant and causing all sorts of arguments based on his training methodology...And you know, I don't think he would be all that upset about it, likely he would be rather pleased, of course that is an assumption on my part...
all I have left to say in this thread is what was already said by Buka
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Just a thought here. So, if we're coming up on 44 years since Bruce Lee passed away, how many commenting here are old enough to have been an adult when Bruce Lee was alive and doing, or not doing, all these things I hear about?
Or are some of your opinions based on other resources?
All I can say is I was a kid who just started Jujutsu in 1972 and a year later he died. I remember Bruce Lee from Magazines, the Green Hornet (Watched it religiously right along with Batman), the announcement of his death and announcement of the new movie Enter the Dragon. The other resources were his books and the comments of those that knew him in the MA world of the time. Which I was old enough to know then...is very different from now
I used to walk by his grave fairly often, before Brandon was buried next to him. Otherwise I don't think much about him, unless someone stirs the pot a little.
Where is that?
I was an adult, serving in the RAF. I remember we were all quite sad when he passed away. what he said and did didn't change my training or how I thought about martial arts to be honest then or now but what he did do was make them 'cool' to people who'd previously thought it 'weird' or 'macho' to do martial arts. We all enjoyed his films whether we were martial artists or not. I have always thought of him as a practitioner of Chinese martial arts so to be honest have never taken a lot of notice of his writing on martial arts, might have been a mistake but I wouldn't slag him off either. I really don't know that much about his style or training. I do think he was good for martial arts though, he may have been self promoting but that's not always a bad thing if it changes people's perception. As I said he made us martial artists of whatever style cool so a lot to be thankful for there.
He's buried in a cemetery next to Volunteer Park in Seattle. It's on Capitol Hill, with a beautiful view of Lake Washington. Brandon Lee is also buried there now, but he passed much later.
for once I find myself in agreement with every one, im not sure on the,scale of things how,good BL was, but talented enough that he,wasn't a complete movie fake,but was a,great self publicist
I have trouble with the jkd being style with out a,style, it has become just that and then it begs the question if jkd is the best bits or the other styles and therefore,superior why its such a minority style, the other's should really have been replaced by it. So maybe it's not really that good?.
it seems He is at least as famous now as he was before his untimely,death. a bit like Marilyn Monroe, so definitely an iconic figure and surprisingly the body type most men would like to have, I say,surprisingly as it a lot,easier to replicate that toned thin look that the Huge musclemen look.( provided your thin in the first place)
Where is what?
Actually, he didn't use his celebrity status to write a book because, aside from the slim CHINESE GUNG FU book, every book was published posthumously.
I think JKD has not replaced every other style simply because not everyone agrees that combining bits and pieces of styles is the best way to do it. Some still believe in sticking to one system.
yes but some people won't accept anything new if is superior or not. But the take up and,spread of jkd, is far less than that other bits of other system all mixed into one MMA. So clearly a lot of people will buy into a new system if it's good enough
Sticking to one system is ok as long as that system suits you. The concept of JKD isn't new and mixing isn't sure as hell not new , I think those Indonesians made a hobby of mixing Silat and Pukulan styles.
My 2 cents....probably worth less than that!......Bruce was into philosophy. He studied Buddhism as well as Krishnamurti. JKD was his path of discovery and development. JKD was a process. You see his martial art style evolve through the years. There were the early years, the Oakland years, the Chinatown years, the final years when living in HK....and his personal style and teaching was different at each phase. There seems to me no "one" JKD. There seems to be no good definition of JKD. It is different things to different people exactly because it is really a path or process rather than a style.
Now, when you get past the philosophical points and down to practicality.....any martial art has to be taught using a curriculum of some sort. When you solidify things down to a specific curriculum, now you are defining the style. That obviously differed at each phase of Bruce's own development and differs today depending upon the JKD teacher. So remove the philosophical layer and what you find in JKD is a search for practicality. And what works on a practical level can vary depending upon a person's physical abilities and make up. It can also vary depending upon the fighting environment or context.
So on one level you have the people that want to do exactly what Bruce Lee was doing (which also varies depending on which phase of his life they are concentrating on) and on another level you have people that want to follow the concepts Bruce laid out and train more eclectically to come up with what works for them. "Original" vs. "concepts"....."style" vs. "path".... both approaches are valid depending upon your purpose.
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