WC in the cage/springfield mo
- Thread starter Methos
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SwedishChef
Orange Belt
I don't think that most traditional matial artists dive into pro or semi pro competitions. Most of us have jobs and families and stuff. If I have the time I'll get backl to ya. Thanks.
Has anyone seen/done Tae Kwan Do in the cage? How about Aikido? Or Ninjitsu? Maybe Hung Gar, Escrima, Fencing, or Bagua? Has anyone seen/done Bjj in a Tae Kwan Do tournament, or Muay Thai kickboxing in a Judo match?
My point is that cage fighting (UFC, MMA) is a sport specific to kickboxing and BJJ. There are rules in place that try to maintain a balance between the safety for the fighters and entertainment for the fans (of which I am one). Most fighting systems (traditional or modern) arent set up in a manor that fits them in the sport-fighting arena.
If all the MMA fighters did were hits to the soft areas, (throat, groin) and limb destruction, (elbows and knees) they wouldnt be able to retain enough good fighters to keep the crowds entertained.
My point is that cage fighting (UFC, MMA) is a sport specific to kickboxing and BJJ. There are rules in place that try to maintain a balance between the safety for the fighters and entertainment for the fans (of which I am one). Most fighting systems (traditional or modern) arent set up in a manor that fits them in the sport-fighting arena.
If all the MMA fighters did were hits to the soft areas, (throat, groin) and limb destruction, (elbows and knees) they wouldnt be able to retain enough good fighters to keep the crowds entertained.
KamonGuy2
Master of Arts
I agree completely
I get to tournaments (MMA) and have had two cage matches
Please bear in mind that these were not professional bout (ie no where near the skill and standard of the UFC)
Wing chun on its own can not survive on the cage, however I used elements of WC to dominate opponents before submitting them or knocking them out. Yeah I lost a few fights but won a lot too!
If you are thinking of going into the cage, learn grappling and a kickboxing art. DO NOT go in with just wing chun. You will get crucified
Well put. And that does not demean WC in the least. The same would be true of boxing or a kicking art by themselves. You need the whole package.
Dave Leverich
Black Belt
I've actually seen quite a bit of TKD in the ring. Some WC, but you have to look for it and recognize bits and pieces. I've seen people use the chain punching and the centerline attack that is very much WC/JKD. But like others have posted, it's simply one aspect of a multifaceted beast.
I've seen BJJ black belts get dominated, because they only brought one card to a 5 card poker game. Same with boxers, wrestlers etc. It almost always takes a more complete game (although some will do well initially as they go against unskilled or off-guard opponents).
I've seen BJJ black belts get dominated, because they only brought one card to a 5 card poker game. Same with boxers, wrestlers etc. It almost always takes a more complete game (although some will do well initially as they go against unskilled or off-guard opponents).
KamonGuy2
Master of Arts
Exactly. Knowing several arts allows opportnities to open up
I've seen good guys get into the ring and not take opportunities ike ground and pound or a shoot because they didn't know how to do it
Kevin Chan is well respected because he is a Master of wing chun but also a black belt in BJJ and an extremely good kickboxer and boxer
Despite his skills in wing chun, he realised very early on that wing chun is a great system but could be made even better by learning ground based arts and long range arts
I certainly never try and get on his bad side!!
Other Masters such as Alan Orr learnt Catch Wrestling for the same reason
You can't rely on any one art, no matter how good that art is
Hence why Royce Gracie was defeated not so long ago
I've seen good guys get into the ring and not take opportunities ike ground and pound or a shoot because they didn't know how to do it
Kevin Chan is well respected because he is a Master of wing chun but also a black belt in BJJ and an extremely good kickboxer and boxer
Despite his skills in wing chun, he realised very early on that wing chun is a great system but could be made even better by learning ground based arts and long range arts
I certainly never try and get on his bad side!!
Other Masters such as Alan Orr learnt Catch Wrestling for the same reason
You can't rely on any one art, no matter how good that art is
Hence why Royce Gracie was defeated not so long ago
