the sensory experience of Qi.

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  1. Leigh Blyth

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    A. I think the problem with drunks and learner drivers is that they don't have conscious proprioception. Toddlers have their natural abilities before too much life gets in the way.

    B. I get the thinking that subconscious is better, yes it we could function perfectly on auto-pilot that would be great. But having the ability to be aware of what is actually happening can only be a good thing IMO, when auto-pilot isn't working well. If you are perfectly balanced with a full range of movement and able to achieve true alignment with your body then that's great, but how many can really achieve that? Remedial exercise/ self improvement??
     
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    Can you describe the sensation/feeling?

    Visuals?
     
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    they ( drunks and toddlers) have to have CONSCIOUS awareness or they fall over, have you never seen a drunk swaying whilst they consciously try to keep their ballance, or the same with someone trying to balance on an inch wide beam, the corrections are in the concious mind when they get use to the balance of the beam, they can just walk, whilst the subconscious mind does the correction for them.

    as I say, I can see it as a rehabilitation / improvement tool, but the aim must always be to not be consciously doing things,as that's where performance is improved markedly,

    I see where you are coming from, I used to do a lot of mindfullness meditation, one of the exercises was to " communicate " consciously with each and ever part of your body, that's a way of improving your nervous system and your ability to relax muscles, I could feel separately each and every one of my vertebra, not sure if this has any bearing on my control of my body, but out was a neat trick that put me to sleep

    I've also been through a process of consciously adjusting my posture, now I don't have to, it does it all on its own
     
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    Technically, that's true, but proprioception is about relative location of the body. As for shape of the surface, yes, you do need to know that. Do you assume blind people have no sense of pressure in their feet (which is far more reliable for balancing than our eyesight, or we'd have to look straight down all the time)?

    You know, this all started because you made a statement that appeared to have an incorrect usage of proprioception. If you'd just said something like, "Wasn't talking only about proprioception, but also about _____" this would be done already.

    And proprioception is involved in balance. But it isn't the totality of balance. My first post in this area was a response to you apparently saying basically that kata didn't develop proprioception because walls. Which is nonsense.

    You're just banging on saying nothing really useful. I suspect there's nothing informative to come, so we're probably done here.
     
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    I did say that, in my first reply to you, I said" I may be conflating it with other sences" or something very much like that.

    proprioception is of no use to you with out tying it to your other senses, unless I suppose your floating in the vacuum of space, you've still not correct buka for saying balance was an example of proprioception in action, as your point is that every thing else that makes balance possible has nothing to do with it, you just target me for harassment
     
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    Yes, and you immediately tried to "correct" me, never quite getting it right. You didn't just say, "maybe not the right terms, here's what I mean". Mind you, when folks have done EXACTLY that with you in the past, you often stuck with the original word they used, arguing about the original word they used even when they said it wasn't the usage they intended, so I'm not surprised it didn't occur to you that might be a useful statement.
     
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    you are manifestly wrong about much of what you've said in this discussion, whilst I admitted I may have over stated a point, you've continues to bluster on regardless of the increasing stupidity of your statements, but bizarrely try and paint me as the villain of the peice wh I admitted my error at the first opportunity
     
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    And now you're just insulting randomly. I'm done trying to help you correct your misstatement. We're done.
     
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    This is from the Encyclopedia of Neuroscience -

    Proprioception

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    Proprioception, or kinesthesia, is the sense that lets us perceive the location, movement, and action of parts of the body. It encompasses a complex of sensations, including perception of joint position and movement, muscle force, and effort. These sensations arise from signals of sensory receptors in the muscle, skin, and joints, and from central signals related to motor output. Proprioception enables us to judge limb movements and positions, force, heaviness, stiffness, and viscosity. It combines with other senses to locate external objects relative to the body and contributes to body image. Proprioception is closely tied to the control of movement.

    Everybody happy now, kids?
     
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