SahBumNimRush
Master of Arts
Actually I'm enjoying the "facts and lies" thread, despite the heat in the kitchen.
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Well said.
The problem that I see in that thread is some folks disagree with alternate interpretations for movements in forms. And that is fine. Let me say it again so that it is REALLY clear...it is FINE! They don't have to agree.
But
We have in that thread credentials being attacked, 'you don't know what you're talking about' or 'you clearly are inexperienced' or 'your not really TKD...go away you're not allowed to be here'. That isn't constructive. And what I'm finding out is that it is coming from members who haven't really put in any time or effort training or researching into alternative applications. And hey, that's okay. If someone isn't interested in alternative applications then they don't have to put in the time/effort. But they then, shouldn't turn around and negatively comment on those that have put in the time/effort/research/training/teaching.
+1. I'm disappointed by some of the recent acrimony but to be honest even the "Facts and Lies" thread had some interesting discussion on it. It's hard to change your mind on something or to learn something entirely different from your prior experience without someone willing to play the role of teacher. And occasionally a teacher must be an antagonist to be effective.
Can't say I agree with your sentiments.
Pax,
Chris
Not covering for him. Simply stating what I felt he did. It is my viewpoint...you know that thing you keep bitching about that everyone gets on you for.With all due respect Jeremy, don't cover for him. And yes, you are one of the biggest offenders. d1jinx didn't make a 'bad assumption'. He lied. He lied because he didn't like my viewpoint in a couple of threads. Last time I checked, people here were allowed to have their own viewpoint. Last time I checked it was allowed to express that opinion. He hasn't manned up and apologized. Make a public accusation then make a public apology.
Ha.ha.ha...Ok. Whatever you say.KSD said:One of the first guidelines of TKD is 'courtesy to all'. How are you doing on that Jeremy? Yeah...I could improve that as well..but it sure would be a lot easier if I didn't have the same 3-4 members pulling the same crap every time I turn around and post MY FRIGGIN OPINION! You don't agree...say, "I don't agree" and move on. You don't have to agree. But how about acting like a martial artist, y'know...all that respect and courtesy stuff. In other words, practice what you preach. I don't agree with you on many things but I'm all for some mutual respect. But mutual respect is a two-way road.
Look. If you have problems with someone attacking you, REPORT THE POST. Be a grown damn man and START A THREAD IN THE GREAT DEBATE and invite the accuser there to prove or disprove the claim. You can't expect others to act like grown men if you're whining like a child. Follow the rules or lose this platform. And I don't care who you are, you are not destroying a board for.
Duel at tomorrow dawn with wet noodle lashes?
Why would they give a peace sign?Them's fighting words.
But seriously, if someone takes it upon themselves to be a "teacher" on a BBS they shouldn't be surprised that people give them a raspberry and the old two-fingered salute, shold they?
Them's fighting words.
But seriously, if someone takes it upon themselves to be a "teacher" on a BBS they shouldn't be surprised that people give them a raspberry and the old two-fingered salute, shold they? It can really come off as the height of arrogance, especially when it's coupled with antagonism. Too often that's thinly veiled hubris, not enlightened disinterest. I've learned more here about a variety of topics from people like yourself who don't need to stoop to being beligerent to make their point. You can tell who is worth listening to and who isn't after a few posts.
Pax,
Chris
Originally Posted by miguksaram
What Shesulsa is saying is general and covers everything and everybody in this section. Do not point fingers and say it is one man's fault because you are just as guilty for causing as much crap as the rest. Hell, I know I am guilty, if not one of the lead offenders. Perhaps dijinx made a bad assumption, but I do not believe he was trying to make anything up out of the blue. Did Mst. Dunn study under GM Won? Yes, did he receive rank from GM Won? Yes. Was it TKD rank? Yes. Could it have been possible for him to receive HKD rank GM Won? Yes. That would be an assumption however, you have since said was not true. So fine...it is not true and d1jinx made a mistake. So let it die already and move on.
With all due respect Jeremy, don't cover for him. And yes, you are one of the biggest offenders. d1jinx didn't make a 'bad assumption'. He lied. He lied because he didn't like my viewpoint in a couple of threads. Last time I checked, people here were allowed to have their own viewpoint. Last time I checked it was allowed to express that opinion. He hasn't manned up and apologized. Make a public accusation then make a public apology.
One of the first guidelines of TKD is 'courtesy to all'. How are you doing on that Jeremy? Yeah...I could improve that as well..but it sure would be a lot easier if I didn't have the same 3-4 members pulling the same crap every time I turn around and post MY FRIGGIN OPINION! You don't agree...say, "I don't agree" and move on. You don't have to agree. But how about acting like a martial artist, y'know...all that respect and courtesy stuff. In other words, practice what you preach. I don't agree with you on many things but I'm all for some mutual respect. But mutual respect is a two-way road.
Look. If you have problems with someone attacking you, REPORT THE POST. Be a grown damn man and START A THREAD IN THE GREAT DEBATE and invite the accuser there to prove or disprove the claim. You can't expect others to act like grown men if you're whining like a child. Follow the rules or lose this platform. And I don't care who you are, you are not destroying a board for.
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Bob that all sounds real good...but...
If this is going to be a great section to come to, then people need to realize that not everyone is going to subscribe to the same exact thing on every single point. That people are going to post from their experience, inexperience, point-of-view or what they've been taught. People need to realize that this is what contributes to the section. If you don't agree, then simply say, "I don't agree"...and move on. Going back and forth, page after page because people don't like what you've said or aren't reading fully what you said has gotten old. If something isn't clear...how about asking for a clarification. And if you still don't agree..so what!!! No one is forced to agree with another here. But maybe...just maybe a certain view will make you think about things differently. That's growth!
However, and I'm not going to let this go right now, if someone is going to post something about another member or their instructor or whatever...they need to back it up. One of the biggest problems in this section is that people don't agree with someone else's opinion and then go on the nit-picky warpath with snide remarks. And worse, they make up crap to 'get them'. I'll say it again, if you post something about another member....back it up. If you can't back it up then don't post it. If you posted something 'intentionally falsified' i.e. you lied through your teeth about someone to make them look bad...then guess what...you've just trolled.
I'm all for in-depth, informative discussions. But when it gets to the point that someone is going to claim my instructor got his rank at a weekend seminar...you'd better be ready to pony up the proof. You want to cut out some cancer...start with people that have 'intentionally falsified' i.e. lied about another members credentials or the credentials of their instructors because they don't agree with them on some topic. Then see if the section returns to friendly.
Well said.
But
We have in that thread credentials being attacked, 'you don't know what you're talking about' or 'you clearly are inexperienced' or 'your not really TKD...go away you're not allowed to be here'. That isn't constructive. And what I'm finding out is that it is coming from members who haven't really put in any time or effort training or researching into alternative applications. And hey, that's okay. If someone isn't interested in alternative applications then they don't have to put in the time/effort. But they then, shouldn't turn around and negatively comment on those that have put in the time/effort/research/training/teaching.
But seriously, if someone takes it upon themselves to be a "teacher" on a BBS they shouldn't be surprised that people give them a raspberry and the old two-fingered salute, shold they? It can really come off as the height of arrogance, especially when it's coupled with antagonism. Too often that's thinly veiled hubris, not enlightened disinterest. I've learned more here about a variety of topics from people like yourself who don't need to stoop to being beligerent to make their point. You can tell who is worth listening to and who isn't after a few posts.
Not sure...is it ok to judge someone's method of promotion in an art, without at least stating your own credentials in the art so that others will know why you came to your conclusion? It is question that will boggle the mind for ages.If you make a statement attacking another's credentials here in the TKD section then you should be willing and able to back up that statement here in the TKD section. Or do you think it's okay to just make some crap up and post it?
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If someone is going to make a public statement attacking credentials in THIS section, then taking it to the GD section is frankly stupid. First off, he hasn't even responded here in this thread. What makes you think he's going to own up down there where no one hardly goes anyway? It ain't bitching and whinning.
If you make a statement attacking another's credentials here in the TKD section then you should be willing and able to back up that statement here in the TKD section. Or do you think it's okay to just make some crap up and post it?
I Found it hypocritical that you would post a link to a seminar, poking fun at it, when it is the same indiviual who you have a connection to, per YOUR web page and YOUR own post. So for me to say, Did Mst. Dunn study under GM Won? Yes, did he receive rank from GM Won? Yes. Was it TKD rank? Yes. Could it have been possible for him to receive HKD rank GM Won? Yes. and per your reply, it was wrong. so be it. easy assumption to make given the facts.
d1jinx said:you know the ironic thing, the OP (no names) pokes fun at GM Won for promoting such a seminar, yet per his words in the past, his taekwondo and hapkido "teacher", mike dunn, is allegedly a student of that teacher, GM Won, and supposedly got his hapkido rank from GM Won, through a program such as that.
dijinx said:guess I got it wrong and you cleared it up so LET IT GO.
Not sure...is it ok to judge someone's method of promotion in an art, without at least stating your own credentials in the art so that others will know why you came to your conclusion?
Your trying to cover your tracks. No one ever, on this board or any other board or on our website claimed, alleged or stated that GM Dunn received HKD rank from GM Won after or through a weekend seminar. Ever. Only you are the one to state/assume/suggest this information. I asked you to back it up. You cannot back it up. Those are the facts of this matter.
Fine. Have a nice day.