Strom With Pants Down

[Touch Of Death]

:revenge: Consider yourself Lambbasted!

 

[MisterMike]

Originally posted by Jmh7331
I'm not saying this in support of or opposition to any of the aforementioned people, but, you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. Everyone makes mistakes. That doesn't mean that what they believe, or what they "preach" is wrong. My instructor has made mistakes in class before, but that doesn't mean everything he has ever done or said is wrong. (Of course he did admit the mistake and not try to hide it ) Please don't lambast me, re-read my first sentence. I just thought I should make this comment.

You're absolutely right. Some people just refuse to leave their political spider holes

 

[Cruentus]

But it is not O.K. to be a complete hypocrite. I see Strom as such. I also don't fly with many of his views.

But I'll ask once again...

Does anyone here support/like Strom? Anyone of yea's man enough to step up to say so, if you do?

 

[MisterMike]

I dunno but the whole subject line just makes me shiver...

 

[Jmh7331]

Originally posted by MisterMike
I dunno but the whole subject line just makes me shiver...

Now that's funny!

 

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by MisterMike
I dunno but the whole subject line just makes me shiver...

:rofl:

 

[pknox]

I believe the daughter in question will be interviewed by Dan Rather either tonight or tomorrow, based on an advert I saw earlier today. Should be interesting. I've promised myself a six pack of choice Belgian beer if the Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemming comparison comes up within the first 10 minutes.

 

[rmcrobertson]

Oh really. Can't throw the baby out with the bath water. I seem to recall that the Republican and what passed for conservative argument about impeaching Clinton was that his private moral failings were inseparable from his actions as President. Does that only apply for Democrats and these here liberals?

Strom Thurmond, once again, made his career as a race-baiting SOB, travelling around his state explaining, it seems, that, "NAACP," stood for "N*****s and the Communist Party," a position that--unlike George Wallace--he never apologized for in any way at all. He remained a segregationist to the end, he thumped the Bible at every opportunity, he screamed his head off about our moral laxity.

And he got a 16-year-old-girl who worked for his daddy pregnant. She happened to be black; he never acknowledged his daughter, never helped keeep her alive, never relented on the subject of race.

It's really very simple. It's perfectly explicable in the very moral terms we so often hear trumpeted. He was a hypocrite, and liar, and a classic racist.

Anybody wanna support him?

 

[MisterMike]

No, it was for obstruction of justice.

 

[rmcrobertson]

Oh. Which the Senate acquitted him of.

"Obstruction of justice..." hm...wasn't that one of the counts that Ollie North got nailed on? Nope wait wait...it was Nixon and his whole Cabinet.

Please look at the title of the thread. Dopey old Bill is not the issue. Strom Thurmond's odd notion of morality is.

Among other things I find interesting is this: I write all the time about one reason or another that Clinton was a putz for whom I did not vote, and you don't even seem to be able to repudiate a racist bastard like Strom Thurmond.

I'm interested. Using a tactic you've used several times--why do you find Thurmond's obvious racism and moral hypocrisy so congenial?

What is it...he was against the Creeping Menace of Marx, so whatever else was OK? Operation Paperclip, anyone?

 

[MisterMike]

You brought him up. I just thought I'd clarify.

Repudiate Strom Thurmond? Is that what you're waiting for? I mean, how hard is it to find on old bigot from the south?

Why are you asking me if I find him congenial? Are you so lost? Where did I ever write in support of him. Please post it for the rest of us...

As to your tactics, it's amazing who you pick to represent the opposing party. Sounds like you have a real problem with anyone with a different view than you, so you try to associate them with the extremists.

Try posting a little more responsibly and I might want to enter the thread. Else, do not post anything to my character, tactics, or otherwise. In those areas, you are simply not credible.

 

[michaeledward]

He remained a segregationist to the end,

Actually, I think you'll find that Thurmond was a strong advocate for all of the citizens in his state in the latter years of his time in office, regardless of color. I believe it was the mid-seventies that he began adding african-americans to his staff. Whether he remained a segregationist 'in his heart', or not, I don't know, but, as a senator, he realized the times were changing and effectively modified his public behavior.

As for his daughter and his relationship with the mother, I think it is unfortuneate that they were treated as such. I did not see any interviews, if there were any. But I think that 1925 was a very different time in the south (thankfully).

Mike

 

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by michaeledward
Actually, I think you'll find that Thurmond was a strong advocate for all of the citizens in his state in the latter years of his time in office, regardless of color. I believe it was the mid-seventies that he began adding african-americans to his staff. Whether he remained a segregationist 'in his heart', or not, I don't know, but, as a senator, he realized the times were changing and effectively modified his public behavior.

Mike

Wow...that's news to me, if that is true.

 

[michaeledward]

On service to his constituents.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/strom/4674715.htm

Concerning Segregation
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/strom/4674588.htm

Here is part of the article.

Other South Carolinians remember Thurmond as a staunch segregationist for more than half of his political career.

His 1948 presidential campaign was launched to protest the national Democratic Party’s civil rights plank. His record filibuster in 1957 was an attempt to kill part of a civil rights bill. In the 1950s and 1960s, he condemned nearly all court rulings and congressional proposals that extended civil rights to African-Americans.

Thurmond once vowed that “there’s not enough troops in the Army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the Negro race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.”

But many black and white people credit Thurmond for changing his views on racial issues. He became the first Southern member of Congress to appoint a black person to his professional staff. He voted for the Voting Rights Act of 1982. And he was honored in 1995 by the presidents of historically black colleges and universities for his support of those schools.


“In most instances I am confident that we have more in common as Southerners than we have reason to oppose each other because of race,” Thurmond once told Ebony magazine. “Equality of opportunity for all is a goal upon which blacks and Southern whites can agree.”

It's nice to see some parachutes in this world, isn't it. Mike

 

[Phil Elmore]

how hard is it to find on old bigot from the south?

On either side of the aisle. Anyone remember Mr. Byrd?

 

[rmcrobertson]

Well, MM, I guess I just thought it was time that you got acquainted with the receiving end of the Tactics of the Loud Scream, the Personal Attack, the Presumption of Immorality, and the Guilt By Association.

I don't expect you'll recognize this, since it seems to me that the nice thing about being wholly right (wish I was) is that anybody who disagrees with you is wholly wrong. However, if you'll go back through your posts, you might see much the same--you know, look at what Slick Willie did! I guess you libs all support him! This is what I expected from people who have no morals and hate America! Well, why don't you just admit it! Huh? Why!

As for Sen. Strom, I'm not impressed by a coupla hires. To the end of his career, he inveighed against every single piece of legislation that even suggested equal rights under the law, just as he'd opposed that radical, wacky legislation ensuring voting rights for black people some fifty years before. He built his whole career on segregation and racism, and he never said a word of which I'm aware about regretting what he'd done, or the hate he'd stirred to get what he wanted--and again, the career of George Wallace is instructive in this regard.

Byrd? Sure. Bit of a putz. Am I supposed to be surprised by this? Or by the fact that many, many Southern Klansmen were democrats? Pas de tout, ladies and gentlemen. Among other things, I'm not a liberal--though I do have "liberal," thoughts, such as it's none of my damn business who other people sleep with.

Oh, well. Thanks.

 

[qizmoduis]

Originally posted by MisterMike
No, it was for obstruction of justice.

Of course it wasn't. You'd have to be the most obtuse individual on earth to believe his impeachment had anything whatsoever to do with his testimony in that lawsuit. It was about the right wing's frothing, rabid hatred of him and of liberals in general. Nothing more, nothing less. It was a long moment of insanity that infected our government when the right wing nutcases took over. It hasn't completely gone away, unfortunately, and it won't until we toss Bush out of power and take control of Congress away from the current set of crazy people in there now.

 

[MisterMike]

Originally posted by qizmoduis
Of course it wasn't. You'd have to be the most obtuse individual on earth to believe his impeachment had anything whatsoever to do with his testimony in that lawsuit. It was about the right wing's frothing, rabid hatred of him and of liberals in general. Nothing more, nothing less. It was a long moment of insanity that infected our government when the right wing nutcases took over. It hasn't completely gone away, unfortunately, and it won't until we toss Bush out of power and take control of Congress away from the current set of crazy people in there now.

Yea but we know that'll never happen. Us nutcases are here to stay.

 

[TonyM.]

Gotta love that photo of strom railing about pornography with his fist raised in front of the Senate and behind him is the statue of Lady Liberty with one breast exposed.

 

[Makalakumu]

Originally posted by MisterMike
Yea but we know that'll never happen. Us nutcases are here to stay.

We Shall See. Mr. Bush and the rest of his cronies are going to have a hell of a fight despite their millions in blood money.