Stop Internet Censorship!

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  1. Bob Hubbard

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    Here are a few easy things you can do:

    • Educate yourself about how SOPA and PIPA work.
    • Print and mail letters to your state’s senators and representatives, urging them not to support this. Physical mail is harder to ignore than email. It piles up. You can find representatives’ addresses here and senators’ addresses here. Remember that PIPA is a Senate bill and SOPA is a House of Representatives bill.
    • Call your senators and representatives on the phone and urge them not to support the bills. See above links for phone numbers or click here to get a quick list of representatives based on where you live.


    Otherwise someday, you may see this instead of a login sign, just because someone wanted this site taken down.

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  2. Tez3

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    On the Wikipedia site it suggests that non Americans also contact their own governments, I will contact my Memeber of Parliament, William Hague who is also the Foreign Secrectary. 10 Downing Street appreciates contact too!
    For the UK http://www.parliament.uk/about/contacting/mp/
     
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    Bob,
    Thank you for doing your part to spread the word.

    Rick
     
  4. shesulsa

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    Communications effectuated. Thank you for posting this! This will be my only readable communications today.
     
  5. Bob Hubbard

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    This is what pisses me off. If these bills pass, I'd probably have to shut down both MartialTalk and KenpoTalk as I can't afford to hire a full time lawyer to deal with the BS it would cause and the increased -personal- liability.

    If someone signed up here and posted a link to a bootleg, they could take out the whole site. Never mind it's against our TOS, not what we're about, we remove on detection, etc. See below.

     
  6. MaxiMe

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    I look at it this way. Basically Lawyers that are wannabee network, social, economic, etc. engineers. Damn time people just accept the fact that I don't know is an ok answer and deffer to people that know what the hell they are doing.

    Sorry just gettin a little pissed about this (like us techies don't have enuf stuff to watch over).
     
  7. Bob Hubbard

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    I'm not in the mood to watch 2 sites I've spent the last 10 years killing myself over, taken out by a bunch of clueless technobleeps.
     
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    I don't blame you Bob, this is a very useful site for it's genre or focus (Martial Arts), and a worthy addition to the net for information, reliable information about Martial Arts. The discussions provide both pros and cons without any prodding, on techniques, teaching methods, school management and so on. It's edukayshunel and that we need on any given subject.

    One of the ironies however. Is censorship exists on MT. We have a ****ing profanity filter and we have age limits and there are limits to the type of images that can be posted here. There's a lot of self-censorship as well which is a good thing and done with regards to others as well. Some of us have posted pics/articles/links with questionable content and put "warnings" in the subject or starter heading of the post/thread. Allowing the folks to choose whether or not to click on the subject. We have mods and admins who can and have removed content offensive to the users. Arent' those forms of censorship? Exactly what KIND of censorship should be noted and protested against and which kind are acceptable.
     
  9. MaxiMe

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    "Technobleep" I think Bob did a great job of self censoring on that one :)
     
  10. Bob Hubbard

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    As a community, we have standards. Those standards have evolved a bit over the past decade, based on member input in part. Part of it's based on the idea of what type of community we should have, which is part my vision, part member view. But this is all by our choice. The government doesn't have a right to tell me "Bob, you cant let your members swear." That's my call. Some sites allow it, some don't, we're in the safer side of the middle. These bills however, don't leave us much choice. If a member posts a link to a warez site, they can pretty much nuke us, without trial. Without giving us a chance to remove the TOS violation. They can hold me responsible personally, even if I was on a cruise ship out of touch at the time. I don't like that. I don't like the rest of what I've read about this either.

    This isn't about helping authors and musicians and photographers and movie makers.
    It's about a power grab by an industry that 20 years ago tried to make VCR's illegal, who can't cope with a changing world, who is buying our corrupt politicians and writing laws for them to sign away our rights to decide for ourselves.
    It doesn't stop bootlegging. Just makes it a little harder to get to.

    http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html
    Looks at things. Scares the crap out of me.

    We have about 1.5 Million posts. How much time would we have to put into to check that many posts to ensure that we got everything? Sure, some quick SQL querries get most....but then what?
    Oh yeah, our members start 'working around' the filter, using all the tricks they used to get swear words around. The AG sees that, guess who gets the bill?
    Me.
    Guess what happens to MT, and 11 years of martial arts history.
    404 - Site Not Found.

    Don't care about MT that much? That's ok. You'll be able to surf an internet like it was in 1990, all content controlled by the MPAA and RIAA and their servants, the US DOJ.
    Over reacting?

    Maybe. But the folks behind Wikipedia, Reddit, and -tens of thousands- of other sites, thousands of people who actually work in the internet who understand things way better than I do, including the guy who invented the thing, Vince Cerf think this is a bad idea. A very bad idea.

    The folks in favor of it?

    They didn't even want to hear from the experts!!!!!!

    One after the other, members of the U.S. House of Representatives professed — nay, bragged about — approaching this weighty legislation from the vantage point of someone who is not “a nerd” or a “tech expert.”

    Who do you want deciding your future?
    An ignorant whore bought and paid for by someone who wants to shut you down, or someone with an educated clue who understands the real issue and consequences?

    Send me the nerds.
     
  11. MaxiMe

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    I say NO!!! to the old AOL days.

    100% with ya on this one Bob.
    Most of the Tech folks I know spend more of our time already fixing stuff rather than doing PM and future planning like we should be able to do (blame it on the tech bubble or whatever). IT and Trelecom have been getting leaner for years and now there just isn'rt enuf time in the day to do it all. so you prioritize and schedule to make the most of the time you have.
     
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    I hate the very idea of this with the fire of 10,000 suns. These imbeciles deserve to be cursed with a plague of 1,000,000 fleas. Just my 2 cents.

    In all reality, these two bills are taking away one of our important rights from the Constitution; our 1st amendment right to free speech. Not only does this go against our basic rights that our forefathers outlined for us, its going against the wants/needs/rights of a vast majority of the modern American peoples.

    The government is taking a big risk with the American peoples by trying to pass these bills. It's in the Declaration of Independence for crying out loud!

    In all reality, if the government makes our people unhappy enough, with these unrealistic bills, the American people could overthrow them and implement a new government.

    What happened to our Constitutional rights? Is the American government so corrupt that they do not even follow the laws written out in the founding documents of their very creation?

    I personally think that these bills will never hold up in the U.S. Supreme Court when it finally reaches them (after all, no American is simply just going to live with something that obviously goes against the Constitution.)

    The issue with that is how long is it going to take before the people get a clue and take it to the U.S.S.C.? How long before they deem it unconstitutional?

    Our government is obviously corrupt. Otherwise this bill would never had come close to passing. Its all just about the money to them. :(
     
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    As they stand, these bills amount to using bunker buster bombs to kill dead ants.

    Yes, there are legitimate and serious concerns about on-line piracy and copyright thefts. But the approaches currently being pushed by the RIAA and MPAA disregard the realities of modern media and distribution. I don't have an easy solution at hand -- but this sure as hell ain't it.
     
  14. Bob Hubbard

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    No, I don't think you do.
    Sure, that sounds good. How about a bill that does that?

    So, you mean you need this bill to pass because with out it, you wouldn't be able to take down pirate sites like MegaUpload? So, if that's the case, then how'd the Justice Dept. manage to take down MU and arrest people in New Zealand without your bill? Surely you realize that your bill does nothing to help actually remove warez sites, just puts a little easily circumvented condom on the pipe.

    Is that because you have read and understand the bill, or because thousands of concerned citizens basically broke your website, crashed your email and made your interns ears sore from hours of non-stop phone calls. My ******** detector says it's the later.

    *Sniff* *Sniff*, no, that's not what you're committed to. You're committed to giving us lip service while your owners at the MPAA rewrite this law and tell you what to say. If you gave a damn about the Constitutional Rights of Americans you would never have lent your name to this piece of trash.


    Like I'm sure you even read my email, given you didn't address a single point of concern. Thanks for the form letter. Your lack of concern is noted.

    Bob Hubbard
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    http://sopastrike.com/numbers

    SOPA and PIPA sent back to the drawing board. War's not over, they just pushed the date back.

    Chris Dodd is threatening Obama and others opposed to this bill with withholding the MPAA's campaign money. Isn't it about time we strip special interests of their ability to buy votes?


    SOPA and PIPA btw would have done nothing to assist in the take down of MegaUpload. It was taken out by use of existing laws.
    The domain seized, servers seized. People in other countries arrested.
    All without PIPA or SOPA
    MU's back up in fact, by IP only.
    Neither PIPA and SOPA would have stopped that either.

    Flawed legislation by bought law makers.

    Time for We The People to retake their government.
     
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    Pitchforks and torches..nahh to old school, how about Megapixles and electrons................ Film\record them and post it all over the place. Then push a new button on the electroinc voting machine.
     
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    Too many crooks in government trying to pass these bills. Need to get lists of the names of senators that are voting for it so the public can hound them.123
     

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