So what exactly IS a Taeguek anyway?

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  1. Gnarlie

    Gnarlie Master of Arts

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    On the topic of Korean behaviour, you initially said not all Koreans are like this, then you went on to make a bunch of rather sweeping generalisations about Korean behaviour.

    Perhaps it would have been easier to leave the Koreans out of it and cite the humanitarian ideals of Taekwondo instead.
     
  2. Cyriacus

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    Yo. Im a less polite person than Gnarlie. Feel free to stop reading right here and go about your business if you want.

    I have a question for you. Give me a firsthand example of a disrespectful American teenager. Not by your definition, not by the definitions of South Korean culture, not by the definitions of American culture. Someone who openly challenges other people who deserve their respect. So basically, find me American teenagers who defy their own standards of decency and ethics to disrespect another person.

    Respect and what defines it varies so wildly from place to place that it cannot and should not be looked at like a standard. American kids probably are disrespectful, according to South Koreans. Now go ask an American teenager if his friends are disrespectful. Culture is more than nationality, and respect is more than a generalized sense of supremacy wherein people viewed as inferior 'respect', or belittle themselves for the benefit of those who view themselves as better than them.

    So basically, you dont want anyone to read any of what you have to say in isolation? Well, sorry if that doesnt float your boat mate, but if you say something im going to read it, im going to take you on your word, and im going to interpret what you have communicated. Did it never occur to you that they are statements in and of themselves, all of which contribute to whatever point it is youre trying to make? If you are reading this, right now, are all my sentences blurring together into one statement, or are they numerous statements being used to communicate with you? This is how conversation happens. Its a long way from verbal communication, but to be fair, in a verbal chat you wouldnt get so many words out of your mouth before the other participants had their own piece/s to pitch. Verbal conversation is much shorter. Textual conversation allows for, in some ways, more specific conversation.

    Then explain yourself. And tell me, how do you want people to reply to particular points youve made? Do you want us to just ignore the points youve made whether we agree with them or not, and just agree or disagree with no basis of conversation whatsoever? This is a discussion board. We discuss things. Discussion requires points to be made and those points to be addressed.

    But it hasnt been reformed. Were taking your words and replying to what youve said. I repeat: If this were a verbal conversation, id be replying to every single point or statement you made before you could go on to the next one. Thats how conversation works. Im pretty sure thats universal, too. Only difference is that in text, you get to make several statements, which you have whether you want it to be viewed that way or not, which are then replied to with statements of their own.

    Have a great day!
     
  3. Napitenkah

    Napitenkah Orange Belt

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    You know what, forget it, I'm out.
     
  4. Gnarlie

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    Well that's sad.

    It felt like we might be getting somewhere. You can't really discuss without discussion.

    I'd still welcome input to this thread from anyone regarding how the underlying philosophy of the Taegeuk forms affect the way you practice them, the way you train, and or the way you live in general.

    Does the fact that the forms and TKD in general are based on Taoist, Buddhist, and Confucianist principles interest you? Bother you? Change how you practice or live?
     
  5. Cyriacus

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    Toodles, mate.
     
  6. Cyriacus

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    "And do me a favor, on whatever whole post I do, I don't really like when someone breaks it down into sections and critiques the individual sections as if they are statements in themselves."

    Hmm.
    I guess its only okay when you do it.

    EDIT: Going back again, you actually did this quite a bit by quoting small parts of peoples replies, then replying to them separately in separate successive replies. You sir, are a hypocrite.
     
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    Thanks for not breaking up that post.

    Okay, [h=3]So what exactly IS a Taeguek anyway?[/h]
    How about we talk about Taeguek, Taekwondo, and not each other.
     
  8. Cyriacus

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    *Replies to user complaining about communication methods
    *Points out that user has broken up posts themself
    "Thanks for not breaking up that post."

    See now, youve somewhat made up for it by making me laugh my **** off.
    Go riiight on ahead :)
     
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    In my dojang we learned 8 taegueks. One for each palgwe.
     
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    Not quite. You learned one for each Gwae. A gwae is one of the trigrams. Palgwae means "8 trigrams" and is another system of forms entirely. The palgwae forms were used by KKW schools in the past, but were replaced by the Taegeuk forms in (if memory serves correctly) 1971.
     
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    As I understand it...

    In 1965 the Korea Taekwondo Association appointed a committee of representatives from six of the Nine Kwans to develop the forms for what is now called Kukkiwon-style taekwondo. The committee consisted of:
    In 1967, this committee introduced the Palgwe and Yudanja (Black Belt) forms (including a simpler version of Koryo). In 1971 two additional kwans joined the committee:
    This expanded committee went on to develop the Taegeuk forms. As I understand it, the new taekgeuk forms were intended to do two things: (1) incorporate aspects of the styles of the newly-added two kwans, and (2) introduce upright postures earlier a student's instruction, to better prepare the student for sparring.

    Taegeuk Poomsae - Taekwondo Wiki
     
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    That should read Park Hae Man (Korean style) or Hae Man Park (English style) of the Chungdokwan.
     
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    That would make more sense, I think. I have two (not great) references though saying it was Gun Sik Kwak. There's this blog:
    Taekwondo History
    (about one-third of the way down the blog).

    And this thread:
    Philosophy In Taeguek Poomsae MartialTalk.Com - Friendly Martial Arts Forum Community

    You wouldn't by any chance have a definitive reference would you? I ask only so that I can add it to the wiki.
     
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    No. I've met the man several times and I've always heard he was on the committee.
     
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    It could be that both things were true. Like...look at how often one name is on a committee, but he sends another name to represent him at most of the meetings.

    I did just find this source: Grandmaster Park Hae man Taeguk creator Taekwondo
    And this source: TKD History

    I've updated the Taegeuk Poomsae page on the wiki to note the info, and also created a Hae Man Park biography page (feel free to add more to either page if you know any more detail - it's a wiki after all!).

    Hae Man Park - Taekwondo Wiki
     
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    Here. Taeguek is in the middle images.jpg
     

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