Saps, coin purses, blackjacks - any experience?

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Russian Whips

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What do you think of such type of weapon? How effective do you think it is for self-defense?

 
Had a mate who was mad keen for punting guys he did not like in the side of the head with a radio. Dropped them pretty good. Did generate a bit to much blood for my liking.
 
The items used in the video you linked are very useful, although I've never used them in self-defense (I use them for more....recreational purposes). They are great for providing pain in an efficient manner without doing any serious or permanent damage.
 
Midnight-shadow said:
The items used in the video you linked are very useful, although I've never used them in self-defense (I use them for more....recreational purposes). They are great for providing pain in an efficient manner without doing any serious or permanent damage.
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Good grief that sounds more risqué than my post did!
 
Midnight-shadow said:
The items used in the video you linked are very useful, although I've never used them in self-defense (I use them for more....recreational purposes). They are great for providing pain in an efficient manner without doing any serious or permanent damage.
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Serious or permanent damage is exceptionally easy with a sap or blackjack, that is why they are no longer standard issue for most(all?) police forces.

The sap maker I got mine from has bumper stickers that say "Stealing childhood memories since 2005"
 
frank raud said:
Serious or permanent damage is exceptionally easy with a sap or blackjack, that is why they are no longer standard issue for most(all?) police forces.

The sap maker I got mine from has bumper stickers that say "Stealing childhood memories since 2005"
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Yep. When I was a youngster I briefly worked as a civilian employee with the Highway Patrol and later with the Sherriff's Office. Back then officers often carried them. Not any more ...for the reasons you stated. And there's a perception that such weapons are used by thugs.

Another problem with a sap or blackjack is that they are illegal for civilians to carry most places. In my state you can carry a firearm openly or concealed without a permit, so if you really are in danger, why would you carry something like that if it's illegal and can get you into a lot of trouble?
 
The saps I collect and have custom made are genuine leather pouches I fill with lead shot.
Lately I've tried new design you'll see demonstrated by my friend in a video below. I took a piece of gargen hose, glued in a lead 12" bullet in the tip, filled it up with buckshot and had it wrapped up and stiched up in leather, added a strap and voila - a "sausage" sap appeared. It combines the advantages of a sap and short whip or a baton but in a good way

 
Some of the techniques he uses are not typical of sap proper, but rather are of short whip arsenal

 
Sausage sap is shorter then nagaika whip (although i have one 50 cm sap and can order even longer ones) but it can be used pretty much in the same way as nagaika

 
geezer said:
Yep. When I was a youngster I briefly worked as a civilian employee with the Highway Patrol and later with the Sherriff's Office. Back then officers often carried them. Not any more ...for the reasons you stated. And there's a perception that such weapons are used by thugs.

Another problem with a sap or blackjack is that they are illegal for civilians to carry most places. In my state you can carry a firearm openly or concealed without a permit, so if you really are in danger, why would you carry something like that if it's illegal and can get you into a lot of trouble?
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One way to go around it would be to connect some key on a ring to the strap and this way it could pass for a keychain, or at least one would have an explanation )))
 
Russian Whips said:
What do you think of such type of weapon? How effective do you think it is for self-defense?
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I don't like them. They are bulky and are illegal to carry just about everywhere. They are specifically designed to injure people, very much like trying to arm yourself with a sword except with less blood.
If someone really feels the need to carry a weapon for self-defense (the vast majority of people have no need), then a concealed carry firearm makes much more sense in my opinion.
 
Russian Whips said:
What do you think of such type of weapon? How effective do you think it is for self-defense?

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Similar a little and but not quite the same thing I have a paracord monkey fist on my keys. Good thing is you can make it your self. Can be wrapped around a nice old BB or can be wrapped around just a stone or some thing lying around. It can be extended to give it more of a whip or even a garotte.
 
Russian Whips said:
One way to go around it would be to connect some key on a ring to the strap and this way it could pass for a keychain, or at least one would have an explanation )))
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Walk into a police station, and show them a sap with keys, see if they agree with you. If I attached keys to a .45 caliber revolver, do you think I could pass it off as a key chain, because I always have trouble finding my keys?
 
Got a pair of SAP gloves for a gift back in the day. Pretty cool to play with, but I wouldn't use them on the job, too much downside.

But great for challenging friends to a dual. :)
 
geezer said:
Sausage sap? Why carry an illegal sausage sap when you could protect yourself just as well with a perfectly legal dildo??? See below at about 1:26 --

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That was funny, thanx! Well, a dildo can work too, especially big and heavy one (huge black one looks almost perfect for the job ))) but I'd still prefer something more old school, something I can put in the pocket without attracking much attention. Exposing dildo in publick in Russia will get one in trouble sooner than walking around with a sap in one's hand for sure!
 
frank raud said:
Walk into a police station, and show them a sap with keys, see if they agree with you. If I attached keys to a .45 caliber revolver, do you think I could pass it off as a key chain, because I always have trouble finding my keys?
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Well that's whole other subject. I'd rather discuss sap's effectiveness as a self protection weapon than the leagal impications. I am not a lawyer.
 
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