Ninjutsu and Chinese Styles

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Mega_Fist, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. Mega_Fist

    Mega_Fist White Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    I'm often asked about the relationship between Ninjutsu and some Chinese styles - both make use of flow, both use of martial trickery, both make use of a wide array of weapons. Whenever I've fought Japanese martial artists, I've been struck by how Ninjutsu fighters move in a similar way to the Chinese martial arts guys.

    What do you all think?
     
  2. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    29,682
    Likes Received:
    4,315
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    North American Tectonic Plate
  3. Mega_Fist

    Mega_Fist White Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    I'm referring to the styles that rely heavily on martial trickery - Shaolin Monkey for instance, Lau Gar, and my teacher's family style.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  4. dunc

    dunc Green Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    155
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    28
    There was likely a fair amount of cross pollination of technique and ideas between Chinese martial artists and the families in Iga and Koga areas of japan
     
  5. now disabled

    now disabled Master Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,443
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    88

    What do you mean by ninjutsu fighters ?
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. hoshin1600

    hoshin1600 Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,792
    Likes Received:
    1,279
    Trophy Points:
    253
    could you elaborate on this?
    are you saying that Japanese Koryu is a derivative of Chinese Martial arts, or Just the arts taught by Takamatsu and Hatsumi?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. now disabled

    now disabled Master Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,443
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    88
    I'd like to see where that is recorded ...or is that your own supposition?
     
  8. now disabled

    now disabled Master Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,443
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    88
    Also I'd like to ask are these ninjutsu fighters claiming to be that and if they are from which school are they claiming their style?
    Also if they using trickery then what does that mean firstly? and where have you fought them?

    I'm just interested as well will await the answers first
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. dunc

    dunc Green Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    155
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    28
    At a general level I think that martial arts evolve over time and absorb techniques, ideas etc that they come across and are useful to their situation

    So I don’t subscribe to the idea of a fixed line of development

    There’s a fair bit of evidence that Chinese and Korean dissidents settled in relatively remote regions of Japan and this includes Iga and Koga

    There are old densho from Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu listing Chinese names in their lineage and showing drawings of Chinese people doing techniques. It’s unclear to me when these were written and therefore when these influences occurred

    The movements of these styles are a bit more “Chinese” than other more mainstream Japanese koryu
     
  10. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    29,682
    Likes Received:
    4,315
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    North American Tectonic Plate
    Speaking as a practitioner of Chinese martial arts, I am truly interested in what that actually means.
    What does it mean to have moments that are more Chinese?

    I am not arguing this, I too see differences in movement between styles and cultures, I am just curious as to what you are seeing and calling Chinese
     
  11. _Simon_

    _Simon_ Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,686
    Likes Received:
    661
    Trophy Points:
    178
    Location:
    Australia
    Ah it's these guys man. I'd say they're everywhere, but... they're so stealthy that... well you get the picture.[​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  12. now disabled

    now disabled Master Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,443
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    88
    Oh ok lol
     
  13. JR 137

    JR 137 Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    4,848
    Likes Received:
    2,916
    Trophy Points:
    403
    Location:
    In the dojo
    I wish there was an “absurdly hilarious” button to use instead of just “funny.”

    Two new things jumped out at me...

    “10th degree Dragon Belt” Huh?
    I guess Ninjas used Uzis. Who would’ve thunk it? Maybe that’s why they were so deadly back in the day.

    This seems like something right up Isiah90’s (or whatever his number was) alley :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. Flying Crane

    Flying Crane Sr. Grandmaster

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2005
    Messages:
    11,836
    Likes Received:
    2,044
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    San Francisco
    Well he says he runs a lot. So if he has taught people to defectively run away and escap danger, perhaps he has something of value to offer.

    And I’m trying to figure this out, is this poster for real, or is it a put-on?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. _Simon_

    _Simon_ Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,686
    Likes Received:
    661
    Trophy Points:
    178
    Location:
    Australia
    Yeah I have no idea, looks legit. As in, serious XD.

    And don't forget breathe underwater!!!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. JR 137

    JR 137 Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    4,848
    Likes Received:
    2,916
    Trophy Points:
    403
    Location:
    In the dojo
    That one’s actually easily explainable - snorkeling.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. pdg

    pdg Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2018
    Messages:
    3,048
    Likes Received:
    874
    Trophy Points:
    213
    I'm interested in the bow staff.

    Is that like a bo that fires arrows or something?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Martial D

    Martial D Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,754
    Likes Received:
    850
    Trophy Points:
    213
    'ninjitsu' is a colloquial term for a wide variety of things. Ninjitsu isn't a fighting style.
     
  19. hoshin1600

    hoshin1600 Senior Master

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    2,792
    Likes Received:
    1,279
    Trophy Points:
    253
    since this thread has gone down a comical path, i got to ask....
    your asked often? like how often, once a week, every other day? and by who? do you have random strangers stopping you at the market and asking you this? it would be understandable if you went out in public wearing a Chinese kung- fu outfit and a ninja mask carrying a hollywood ninja-to.
     
  20. pdg

    pdg Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2018
    Messages:
    3,048
    Likes Received:
    874
    Trophy Points:
    213
    From what has been said in other threads, that's more likely to illicit a comment more like "oh, you do karate" ;)
     
    • Funny Funny x 1

Share This Page