Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Bob Hubbard, Jan 15, 2006.
Many of the entries were mirrored from other sources, so we have a starting point. Now, it's our job to fix, flesh out and expand things, as long as they fall into the guidelines of credible and verifiable. (I'll say those words alot. )
Everyone is invited to improve the entries.
Where to start?
I dislike the entire first paragraph. The starting date of ninjutsu could be either as far back as before recorded history or as late as the 15th century. It all depends on your definition of ninjutsu. The 800 number probably comes from the date that Nishina Daisuke is said to have fled to Iga and started what would become the Togakure ryu. Of course, is it really a case of what he started being ninjutsu or did the art evolve later on due to the circumstances.
And the peasent reference is just wrong..... Trust me. There are stories of defeated warriors from the Heike clan and the armies of Yoshitsune and Yoshinaka founding ninja traditions. And there are stories from Iga of them setting up their own region when central control went to hell. But no mention of peasents starting some sort of counter culture to the samurai.
First sentence, ok. Second- sometimes. Third, not really.
Last paragraph, Navron and Hayes were not the only guys, not even the first, to train with Hatsumi. And why isn't Hatsumi mentioned as their teacher?
As author of this entry, it's truthful to say that the information is kept very general because:
a) it's a controversial discipline
b) trustworthy information is difficult to find
c) I don't know that much about Ninjutsu
Note, especially, the very first part of the entry:
This article is a Stub and needs to be expanded.
Please, anyone willing, jump in and fill it out, correct it, etc!
You can sign up as an editor, Don... I'm actually signed up, I just haven't had time to sit down and write anything. I've just corrected a few glaring errors.
BTW, clear out your PM box...
I did clean out my box 12 hours ago.
As for signing up as an editor, would it not be better if I laid out stuff here and we discussed it and then someone like you could take the final product and edit it?
We could do that...
Either way! But, if an entry doesn't seem right, change it or ask that it be changed...that's the beauty of a Wiki!
I think that we should start with a definition of ninjutsu. The problem is that the term is now used to cover a lot of things that were called something else at the time. Some people think that it means espionage, while others use it to refer to stealth and scouting. The ninja of Iga and Koga, according to the Bansenshukai believed that no practicioner of ninjutsu was complete unless he studied and used both aspects.
A generic definition can be used for the term, with separate entries for each organization to help differentiate their strengths and weaknesses, as well as histories, notables, and other important such stuff.
Feel free to bring over the Wikipedia entrys at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu if you like as well. Except for the Ashida Kim entrys...link those back to Wikipedia please. (It's 1 headache I'd prefer we avoid here).
And some instructors have a very different usage of the word, even within our organization.
You know, I'd be interested in your take on my camp if there weren't so much politics involved. Reply by PM if interested.
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