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  1. Brian R. VanCise

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    FriedRice it is very typical of someone like yourself to try and drive a thread in a certain direction. In this thread I post what the MCMAP really is in response to your fantasy of mma lite/kali lite. You don't get to question me or drive the thread in a direction of your choice. Sorry...

    If you need to know the answer though google fu. It really is not that hard! ;)
     
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    It sure wasn't.

    But I suspect he read my post, and maybe even knew already. He probably has some cleverly devious trap set for you. ;) :)
     
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    I was merely pointing out that you're wrong about with your comment about Marines rolling around in the mud with bayonets. That's just something out of Full Metal Jacket.
     
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    And I'm not trying to disparage the Marines, but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around them neither...and especially not worship people in uniform. I tell it like it is. And I don't give people free respect.

    Maybe that's why when new Marines and/or other soldiers who comes into MMA gyms, they often don't mention that they're soldiers or some even hide it (especially when they have no other MA training other than the average MCMAP training). Because wide glassy eyed teenage boys all over the place, seem to expect them to be H2H, superhero, fighting machines or something and they now are indirectly obligated to keep up with such falsities. Or also, they will also get targeted by girl Blue Belts and up, so they can say that they made a Marine tap, repeatedly.

    Yes, we know that what makes Marines dangerous, are their rifles and tons of state of the art support and weaponry. I mean, some 50 yr old grandma with a shotgun will probably beat every unarmed UFC Champion in a fight to the death, what's the point?
     
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    True, I would take the grandma with the shotgun who knows how to use it every day. That is some thing that any martial practitioner should realize in that weapons/tools rule the day in violent encounters. The United States Marines are riflemen first and foremost. MCMAP then fills the needs from Bayonet, to Edged Weapons and finally to the last resort of empty hands on the battlefield. MCMAP was developed after extensive study and research and coordination with many long time martial practitioners and marines to come up with a system that would complement the marine corps goals. In that regard it is very effective for what they need. It is not cage fighting, mma lite, kali lite or anything else. Instead it is the Marine Corpse Martial Arts Program that is designed for the battlefield!
     
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    I think you are both right, and reframe what the other person says just enough to avoid acknowledging the other person's good points.

    Marines aren't, by virtue of their MCMAP training, hand to hand experts. AND MCMAP integrates perfectly into USMC training, filling a much needed gap.

    I truly don't know where the conflict is, but what each of you says doesn't seem to contradict the other in any way.
     
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    Yep, that is pretty much the crux of it. A system designed to as often as needed, keep Marines alive and kill or maim enemy. No rules but to kill enemy and to survive while doing it. The more rules put on it as in a cage, the less effective it will be.
     
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    You think there are no rules in Mc Map training?

    There are rules for shaving in the army.
     
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    What's really funny is I am going through some old documents and ran across an ACTUAL 341 from when I was in basic training at Lackland AFB. Any old USAF guys remember those?

    Brought back all the rules about folding tshirts and underwear and organizing my drawers.
     
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    Yeah. We had the same.
     
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    I just call what MCMAP really is because it's designed mostly to keep the soldiers in shape...with a certain level of aggression maintained, but not enough to cause injuries...and provide fitness & fun. The bayonet drills + edged weapon are not very impressive by Kali standards nor is the H2H to full MMA. Bayonets are rarely, if ever deployed b/c there are more chances of stabbing your fellow soldiers.

    So what's Tae Bo? Not Kickboxing Lite?

     
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    Tae Bo is an exercise routine. Not a thing to do with kickboxing. ;)

    The commander's that created MCMAP went through a lot of research and had many contributions from marines from many disciplines. MCMAP is not Kali, not mma but distinctly a martial system for modern marines on the battlefield. You see MCMAP is not about cage fighting or anything else but designed exactly to give skill sets to our soldiers so that they can be effective on the battlefield.
     
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    Tae Bo uses many Kickboxing techniques. Are you saying that they don't?

    And why aren't they striking to the head in MCMAP?

     
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    Actually Billy Blanks who founded Tae Bo was a Tae Kwon Do and American free style point champion. Just because some of the moves look like kickboxing they are not necessarily. ;)
     
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    In 1985 Billy Blanks called me and said, " I have an idea how to get more people to exercise. By using karate techniques and music, so it will be fun." I said, "Okay......"

    He coined the term "Karobics" He asked me if I knew an Aerobics instructor because he wanted one instead of a Martial Arts instructor. I asked "Why?" He said, "A karate guy will teach like he teaches Karate. I want someone who will teach it like Aerobics, teach it like exercise." I called my friend, Michelle, a local aerobics instructor. Her, me and Billy met in my dojo and for two weeks Billy worked with her on how he thought it should be taught. We then implemented the first Karobics class, in my dojo, in Boston. We had class on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays at 11 in the morning. There wasn't much success. There were a handful of housewifes, some of my students from an earlier morning class and some of Billy's guys. The class lasted a little over a year before we cancelled it for lack of interest.

    THEN.....Billy relocates to L.A somewhere around 1988. He had a tough go of it. Married with two kids, he struggled to make ends meet. Taught a karate class out of the garage in his rented house in Reseda.

    He opened his first school in Studio city a couple years later. And it eventually took off. He had to rent a bigger place. He then offered karobics - and karobics went crazy in L.A. Billy, his daughter Shelly, his sister Irene and his brother Michael all taught Karobics. Billy also had a huge karate class by this point.

    Then all of Hollywood started coming there. My wife and I had recently relocated to Maui and I flew to L.A for a week every month to teach and train. I was stunned when I first went there. There were four karobics classes, six nights a week. Each class had 80 to 100 L.A; women (not even a hint of exaggeration in those numbers) this was in addition to several hundred martial arts students in regular classes.

    So....it got huge. A Hollywood power couple were training there. They approached Billy and wanted to team up with him and take it to a national level. Naive, he said "sure" Two weeks later he called me on Maui. He told me the couple came in one day, and told them what they were going to do. he said he did not like the idea. They then took out some legal papers and told him, "We just trademarked the term Karobics. We now own it. You'll do what we want."

    He promptly threw them out on their worthless asses. Right there on Ventura Boulevard. I heard they even bounced. He then said to me, "We gotta come up with a new name for Karobics" I said, "okay, let's think on it for the next couple of days".

    He calls back two days later, all excited, He says, "I got it. we'll call it Tae-bo. A combination of Tae-kwon-do and boxing." (Billy won the Golden Gloves here in Mass. I worked his corner)

    I'll never forget what I told him -

    "Billy, that's the single worse name for anything I've ever heard. It's stupid, completely unmarketable - it just won't work."

    Boy, can I call em', or what? Thank God he doesn't listen to me.

    Three weeks later I land in L.A again. There are now seven Tae-bo classes a day. There is one hundred women in every single class and a line out the door waiting for the next one. This is in addition to the Martial arts program - which was the largest I've ever seen in a school to this day.

    Soon, fighters were attending the classes for cardio. It was the single toughest workout I've seen, and I was in world class shape at the time. He had to offer Tae-bo at 6 a.m, 7, 8 and 9. Then in the afternoons at 4,5,6,7,8. It was fricken crazy. He again rented a larger place right down the street on Ventura.

    A guy in the gym, Paul was his name, was a marketing genius. Back in the 1970's Evil Kinevil used to do commercials for this gizmo that you touched to where you had pain - and pressed a little plunger on top of it. The device gave a mild electrical stimulus that supposedly helped heal aches and pains. Paul sold 20 million units at 29 or 39 bucks apiece (I forget) You know what the unit was? It was the automatic lighter on a gas grill. It just caused a mild spark. Paul purchased them in bulk for a dollar each. Do the math.

    Paul approached Billy and said he wanted to help Billy go national. Billy, much wiser now, hooked up several lawyers (who trained in the Karate class) with Paul. The rest, as they say, is history. Billy and Gayle flew out to Maui shortly after. We went out to dinner. He showed me a copy of the check he got from Paul. It was for forty million dollars. (With one hundred million more to come over the next seven years.) I asked him, "Did that puppy clear?" he said,"Yup." I said, You're buying dinner! Like forever!"

    Tae-bo was never meant for self defense. Or for fighting, or for kickboxing, It was for exercise, fitness and weight loss. The way Billy, Shelly, Irene and Michael taught it - was just plain nasty. Toughest workout around.

    Anyway.....that's the skinny on Tae-bo.
     
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