Kukkiwon Certifications delayed

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  1. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    Have any of my fellow kukkiwon black belts had ridiculous waits for certificates? My 1st Dan certificate took 15-16 months to get, in fact I just got it Friday.

    I remember a lot of you had this problem and the source was your own school, but I don't think my issue is with my instructor, I have far too much faith in him to entertain that possibility. In fact he took a trip to Korea to check on mine and a few others.
     
  2. StudentCarl

    StudentCarl 3rd Black Belt

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    That sounds kinda strange. Mine was submitted in April and arrived in early July, so submitted after and arrived before.
     
  3. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    Do you mind sharing your KKW number for reference?
     
  4. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    I just thought of something also.

    In Canada, our KKW papers go through Taekwondo Canada, our NGB. It's an idiotic policy imho and just another way to exert control in the wrong areas, but anyway. I don't believe USAT or AAU does this although I could be wrong. Maybe my issue is with Taekwondo Canada.
     
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    Dirty Dog MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

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    You definately have an issue somewhere. My last test was 11-5-2011. KKW processed it 12-20-2011.
     
  6. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    I believe it's Taekwondo canada but I'm not sure. Some turmoil there lately, but it doesn't excuse a sport body from trying to control Dan grade in the first place. If they want control, they should issue their own like USAT. Won't say anything else as I'm not sure it's TKD canada quite yet. Either way, it won't stop me from stating my tested-for rank-I'm a KKW second Dan or at the very least an NL TKD 2nd Dan which is what matters to me the most.
     
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    The issue is going to hinge on the date your KKW rank was registered. The KKW TIG starts the day your rank is registered, not the day you test.
     
  8. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    I'm going to give my instructor a call and see what he thinks. Like I said I trust he put it through in a timely manner.
     
  9. ETinCYQX

    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    According to my instructor, it's some issue with the KKW's turn around time on Canadian certificates. Michelle Robb concurs. I don't think KKW watches time in grade, I think they'll issue any black belt that a master signs off on.

    Ill be claiming it anyway, not my problem. ;)
     
  10. Gorilla

    Gorilla Master of Arts

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    We just put in my son's change from 3rd poom to 3rd Dan took one month...our Master submits directly to KKW.
     
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    andyjeffries Master of Arts

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    I believe the automated system does check this. I know they are concerned with TIG and won't issue certificates before the person is eligible (whether it's during electronic application or when processing I can't be sure).

    I also can't imagine that the KKW has an issue with Canadian certificates. They may have issues with Taekwondo Canada (e.g. if they haven't paid their bill) but I can't imagine they will penalise a country :)
     
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    mango.man 2nd Black Belt

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    I wonder what the record is? I know that my daughter tested for 3rd dan the first week of Feb in 09 and her certificate was issued from KKW on Jan 20, 2011, just 2 weeks shy of 2 years. In her case it was 100% USAT eff'ing with her.

    Eventually in mid December 2010 while I and the master that tested her (a very well regarded master at that within USAT were going back and forth with daily phone calls and e-mails between David Askinas, Becie Seals, RudelzieMae Lefotu and Penny Warren) her new coach submitted for her directly through the KKW website and it came through in just over 1 month.
     
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    My master submits direct to Kukkiwon, so I wonder if it's a middleman issue too. PM me if you still want my number, and I'll send it.

    Carl
     
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    ETinCYQX Master Black Belt

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    My instructor seems to think I should get it soon, along with my sister's 1st Dan, and TIG shouldn't matter. I'll go with that for now.

    Thanks for your input all.
     
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    It usually ends up being the middleman, whom you have no control over. Even sending paper applications to Korea, the wait is only about two months tops if you just miss a processing date. You can also check online to see if it has been processed http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/new_examination/new_english/pop.jsp. Spell full name or middle initial depending how you submitted it.

    Dana
     
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    It might be because our master has a strong relationship with the KKW...but turn time is always 1 month!

    The fact that hi is a KOM is a big help.
     
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    ks - learning to fly Senior Master

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    not sure what the problem is, mine just took 4 months to get after I tested...
     
  18. Gwai Lo Dan

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    Ethan, how much extra does WTF Canada charge? I saw their website indicated that they may charge an additional amount.

    At the school I study, I was told that WTF Canada takes a lot longer than going to KKW directly.

    It is interesting to note that if you look at the member clubs on their website, there is a whole lot of clubs NOT listed! I would guess a lot of clubs go to the KKW directly, regardless of WTF Canada's policy, and hence they are not registered with WTF Canada.

    I'm an accountant, and noticed that the financials are less than healthy. (http://www.wtfcanada.com/eng/about/governance/financial-audits-and-management-letters/). For 2012, cash is $31,106, while account payable and accrued liabilities is $155,529. Note 1 of the statements says, "The Association had a significant net expenditure for the year. If the Association is not able to reduce expenditure or increase revenue significantly, it may not be able to continue as a going concern." That's not good!
     
  19. WaterGal

    WaterGal Master of Arts

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    I tested last October and got my certificate by the end of the year, but like others have said, my GM applies directly to Kukkiwon.
     
  20. Gemini

    Gemini Senior Master

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    My last submittal for a 2nd Dan I just promoted took all of 3 weeks.123
     

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