Rather than hijacking the thread this sidebar discussion arose on, I thought I would post more about it here.. . When I say "pre-Kukkiwon curriculum" I mean, that our forms are: Kicho Hyungs 1-3, Pyung Ahn Hyungs 1-5, Bassai, Naihanchi Hyungs 1-3, Chinto, Kong Sang Kun, etc.. . Our terminology is slightly different than the KKW standard. For example Jassae is used for Stance rather than Seogi and Hyung is used rather than Poomsae. I do not know any Taeguk or KKW Yudanja forms. GM Kang has a certificates through Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan and Kukkiwon. I really don't know if the certificates that he issues have any direct association with any organization back in Korea, or if they are strictly "in house certificates." All certificates are signed: Sok Ho Kang, President Korean Tae Kwon Do Association Moo Duk Kwan State of West Virginia Here is my 5th Dan certificate: The question arose that since my KJN is Kukkiwon certified, shouldn't I be? My response is that while my KJN is Kukkiwon certified, we do not practice KKW curriculum, so I'm not sure how me being KKW certified is relevant or important. I would welcome comments on those who may have been in a situation like this, and what they're feelings on the matter are.