Knife and Club Curriculum

[Kenpo Yahoo]

How many of you out there have had formal KENPO training with a knife or a club?

Was the training you received something that was brought in from another art such as Arnis?

To what extent was the material explored? Was it Form and/or Set based? Strictly defensive applications? Did you explore any Offensive applications?

Was it simply doing your open hand techniques with a weapon or was there a more specific curriculum taught?

What were some of the things covered? You don't necessarily need to right out any techniques, but just briefly explain what you were taught.

I'm just curious what the range and extent of weapon training is out there in KenpoLand.

 

[Blindside]

Well, my knife and stick training comes from outside kenpo.

My Serrada Escrima instructor was a kenpo blackbelt at some point, so he knew and understood the perspective where I was coming from. Serrada (as I was taught it) starts with almost entirely a defensive application. Very much like kenpo techniques, a beginner learns three defensive techniques for each angle of attack, though many of the techniques are essentially duplicates of each other. Some of the angles of attack are combination knife and stick or knife and longer blade attacks.
Serrada tends to use a short(er) stick, and though it uses a different measuring method, the size is almost identical to those people who measure kenpo sticks. My instructor was a corrections officer, and he liked it because it translated to the ASP baton so easily.

One of my friends has a good background (though not an instructor) in the Inosanto blend Kali, and he and I played with that for several years.

Much of my specific knife training comes from various seminars and private instruction, the most productive of which was work with Jim Keating. His material covered FMA based knifework as well as American Bowie material. The bowie work was incredible and very different from the FMA material that I have been exposed to, though it seems to be a "big knife" system and may not translate well to pocket folders and the more common defensive knives carried today.

All of my weapon training included offensive and defense, though Serrada definately tended toward the defense side of things.

Serrada is taught as technique based curriculum, but much of the rest of my training was conceptually based. Essentially the motion and concept of the defense/offense should be translatable between empty hand, knife, and club/stick.

I only consider myself a beginner at serious weapon study, working with weapon specialists has given me a glimpse at just how much there is to know.

 

[Michael Billings]

Inside Kenpo. Club Set, Long Form 7. My 3rd black was a different type of club set, used clubs more from a law enforcement perspective, i.e. block/parries with contact manipulations of the opponent's body immediately thereafter. Should the resistance continue, or opponent "escape", each technique flowed into a striking finish. Worked against club, knife, combination, and multiple opponents (5 tech each, for a total of 20 techniques.)

Fun and I learned a lot about how to avoid a "Rodney King" type scenario.

Oss

 

[Kenpo Yahoo]

Blindside, Micheal Billings

Very cool, anyone else?

Feel free to check out all the clips, but the one in the top right is Mr. Jim Clark doing one of the AKKI Club sets.

http://www.akki.com/lasVegas/videos.htm


By the way does anyone know if you can buy Gi's during the tax free weekend? just kidding.

 

[Les]

You'll find the Club and Knife material that students in my club aspire to listed on the syllabus page of my website.

www.americankenpo.co.uk

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to plug my humble site.

Les

 

[satans.barber]

Les,

Do you re-distribute the AKKI club and knife manuals in the UK, or do they have to be ordered from Master Mills in the States?

Are they only available for AKKI students, or for anyone to study?

Thanks,

Ian.

 

[Kenpo Yahoo]

The AKKI manuals are only available to AKKI members.

 

[MJS]

All of my training with the stick and knife was done outside of Kenpo. The Filipinos have been training with sticks and knives for many many years. What better place to go, than to someone whos been doing it for a lifetime!

Mike

 

[satans.barber]

Originally posted by Kenpo Yahoo
The AKKI manuals are only available to AKKI members.

Ah, fair enough. Secret Kung Fu huh

Thanks for letting me know,

Ian.

 

[Kenpo Yahoo]

Ah, fair enough. Secret Kung Fu huh

Thanks for letting me know,

Ian.

No secrets, it is simply a benefit for the AKKI members.

 

[satans.barber]

My smiley dissappeared in the quote, which makes it look like a snide remark! It was just a joke!

Interesting how a well placed smiley can alter the tone of a sentence...

Ian.

 

[Les]

Ian,

No offence taken.

Les

 

[twinkletoes]

My answer is: I don't know.

I learned a bunch of knifeword and stickwork from my Kenpo instructor, in our classes. However, he was very close with Prof. Remy Presas for many many years, and was a senior practitioner in Arnis. Often he would show something in Kenpo class that I would "re-discover" years later at an Arnis camp.

So who knows where he got what he showed me!

~TT

 

[parkerkarate]

My kknife training with the K-bar (combat KNife) and Kukri (short sword) came from another art. The founder of that art is Dr. Gyi.