Kenpo Jujitsu? Is this the original art of Kenpo?

[Carol]

What's this thread about again?

Back in the day there was a guy that did martial arts and sometimes there was controversy.

 

[marlon]

Well said grasshopper. and I might add, keep the cup empty for those who have the tea to share with you.

I love tea , sir

 

[Milt G.]

actually, Parker didnt bump Elvis from 1st to 8th

there are tons of pictures of elvis wearing his 5th, 6th and 7th degree belts. Oddly, there are no pics of him hearing his 8th.....

Hello,
Again... Not taking anything away from Elvis. Truly a legitimate 1st black. But he was "bumped" through all of the ranks from 1st to 8th. I saw a photo of him in his 8th belt. He did do quite a bit for Kenpo. The true meaning of 8th Dan is "important person in the art" from the Japanese standpoint. He truly was an important person in Kenpo.

My intent with my post was to clarify that just because someone promotes a celebrity, does not make them dishonest or a fraud. I had the comment about Rick Nelson in mind. And, hey... Didn't Jhoon Rhee promote Richard Nixon to 7th or 8th degree?

Thank you,
Milt G.

 

[KenpoDave]

First I also knew Ed Parker slightly, I met him at Bruce Tegner's school on a few occasions, He never said that in front of Bruce or I, So therefor you are saying he was a back stabber, Sorry, The Ed Parker I knew was a stand up guy, As far as The Tracys, They were good at selling karate school franchise's, On the Tracy's website thy state, "Bruce tegner was ridiculed for giving Rick Nelson a black belt," While stating that Ed Parker was responsible for Elvis getting a Black Belt in karate, Bull, Elvis's belt was given before Ed was in the picture, And their knowledge of bruce Tegner or Rick Nelson was very limited if not nonexistent. And as far as Doc, I have very little knowledge of him, As at the time I had no knowledge of him, In fact outside of the kenpo world I still have no knowledge of him, Only in this thread have I ever heard of him mentioning Bruce.

What I have heard Al Tracy say about Bruce Tegner was that Tegner was the object of ridicule, but his books were at least partially responsible for the karate boom of the 70s.

 

[Twin Fist]

Hello,
Didn't Jhoon Rhee promote Richard Nixon to 7th or 8th degree?

Thank you,
Milt G.

never heard of that, but it wouldnt shock me, since that would be a CLEARLY honorary belt

 

[Doc]

What I have heard Al Tracy say about Bruce Tegner was that Tegner was the object of ridicule, but his books were at least partially responsible for the karate boom of the 70s.

Al was right, and his books are still the most widely available and read. Ed Parker even invited him to the first IKC over the objections of most. Mr. Parker calmed Oshima down by telling the crowd of angry traditionalist masters, "How is anybody going to know how good you are, unless they have something to compare you with?"

Notoriety and skill are mutually exclusive. Many actors and "wannabe's" contributed to the boon in the marketplace, by "acting" martial arts in film. Even though James Coburn ultimately ended up with Bruce Lee, did he do anything in any of the "Derek Flint" moves that looked remotely legit? Or Dean Martin's Matt Helm series?

 

[Doc]

Hello,
Again... Not taking anything away from Elvis. Truly a legitimate 1st black. But he was "bumped" through all of the ranks from 1st to 8th. I saw a photo of him in his 8th belt. He did do quite a bit for Kenpo. The true meaning of 8th Dan is "important person in the art" from the Japanese standpoint. He truly was an important person in Kenpo.

My intent with my post was to clarify that just because someone promotes a celebrity, does not make them dishonest or a fraud. I had the comment about Rick Nelson in mind. And, hey... Didn't Jhoon Rhee promote Richard Nixon to 7th or 8th degree?

Thank you,
Milt G.

Legitimate educational institutions are notorious for giving out honorary doctorates to celebrities and big money donors. ALL OF THEM, Duh!

 

[Carol]

Legitimate educational institutions are notorious for giving out honorary doctorates to celebrities and big money donors. ALL OF THEM, Duh!

Yeah, but it was one helluva way to get Billy Joel to speak at my graduation

Plus my school only offered undergrad degrees so an honorary doctorate wasn't really taking rice out of anyone's bowl.

 

[Milt G.]

Yeah, but it was one helluva way to get Billy Joel to speak at my graduation

Plus my school only offered undergrad degrees so an honorary doctorate wasn't really taking rice out of anyone's bowl.

Hello,

The proper, and most often used, reason for honorary degrees in academia, I think.

And... Billy Joel is not dumb... Somehow he "earned" his way into his and Elton John's "Face to Face" tour... The most lucrative tour these days, it is said.

Thanks,
Milt G.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Back in the day there was a guy that did martial arts and sometimes there was controversy.

Oh, that never happens.

 

[shaolinmonkmark]

Legitimate educational institutions are notorious for giving out honorary doctorates to celebrities and big money donors. ALL OF THEM, Duh!

Why, certianly, you must not be refering to bogus arts that "Just give Rank if you have alot of money"
LOL!!!!!

 

[Milt G.]

Hello,

I would think that the "Kenpo-JiuJitsu" of James Mitose is the original art of the Kenpo most of us now study. From a lineage standpoint, anyway.

Of course, it has been through the "sieve" so many times and for so long that it holds little resemblence to the original art that Mitose taught to William Chow, etc...

Heck... I know students that perform "their" Kenpo differently then their own teachers Kenpo... The "variations" can be endless.
Go figure...

Thank you,
Milt G.

 

[Twin Fist]

Hello,

I would think that the "Kenpo-JiuJitsu" of James Mitose is the original art of the Kenpo most of us now study. From a lineage standpoint, anyway.

Of course, it has been through the "sieve" so many times and for so long that it holds little resemblence to the original art that Mitose taught to William Chow, etc...

Heck... I know students that perform "their" Kenpo differently then their own teachers Kenpo... The "variations" can be endless.
Go figure...

Thank you,
Milt G.

rare that i can agree with an entire post