Okay I see where you are coming from.. I think its alot of semantics to be honest. I think that what you said can absolutely relate to some martial arts, but not all. I agree with your first few points, and we cover those with our students as well. where you start to lose me a litle bit is talking about the fine motor skills and gross motor skills. This is, in my mind, simply a byproduct of how often you train and how realistic that training is. the more you train under stressful real condition, the more you are going to be able to perform fine motor skills. The less you train then i absolutely agree that you will have alot of trouble performing anything but gross motor skills. I dont think this has anything to do with martial arts or self defense specifically though. Alos traditionalized martial arts teach attacks that are not in our society today, thats a direct reflection of the instructor in my opinion, and teaching legal ramifications is also something we go into with our students. I am not sure that I agree that it is as black and white as that. Personally I would consider true self defense as good diet, nutrition, fitness, teeth care, etc.. since that is going to kill many more people then a bad guy with a gun.. but like I said I dont necessarily disagree with your comments, I see where you are coming from and appreciate you sharing it, I just think that it is not black and white, and depends on who is teaching, and the time that the student is going to put into it.