For reference, this semantic issue is discussed in these two threads:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3931
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=473
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3931
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=473