Karate sparring with a mix of wolf boxing

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  1. Headhunter

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    Yes I have a Krav Maga class once had us sparring but one person was face punching the other was groin punching and there is no way in helL I'd ever use it in a real situation when knees can actually come up. Plus it's far to slow to get down there. Not a practical technique at all imo. If I'm going to throw straight to the groin not waste time punching his leg because as soon as I do he'll be booting me in the face with his other leg
     
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    Christopher Adamchek Blue Belt

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    Im sorry you had a bad experience with it once but it can and does work. Ive done it many times on many people. Its not high on my "to use" in real situations but i would if i had a prime opportunity to.
     
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    I have. We experiment with about everything.

    Positionally, it's a terrible idea. If you change levels like that, and leave room for them to strike(as you are in this vid) you are putting yourself at a huge disadvantage. They can move, you can't, and they have tons more leverage and power than you.

    This is one of the pitfalls of coming up with things in a cooperative environment without pressure testing
     
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    Yeah. Sort of. It is actually really infuriating to have it done in sparring. Especially when you think it is a takedown.
     
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    Maybe you've landed it but I find it extremely hard to believe it does anything worthwhile. I mean even Muay Thai leg kicks which are some of the most powerful martial art kicks very rarely finish someone with one kick it normally takes a fair few to do significant (not always but most of the time from what I've seen) but even if you can land a punch to the leg...okay maybe there leg will be a little sore maybe a dead leg feeling but in a real fight adrenaline will be pumping so very unlikely they'd even feel it until after. That and the extremely dangerous height you'd have to put yourself in. If someone even dropped that low on me my leg would be up straight away for a knee.

    There's a a reason why in Muay Thai and Mma they tell you not to do the extremely low ducks that boxing does and that's because you do you'll be straight on a knee. That's been proven in Mma guys getting dropped even going in for takedowns which are explosive and powerful and have momentum a leg punch will certainly not have that. Even forgetting about the knees and kicks if you drop down to my knee height to throw a punch I'm going to drop an elbow or a hammer fist right onto the back of the head.

    The reward is certainly not worth the risk
     
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    Imo if you want to hit the leg then kick it...it's way more powerful than a punch would be and no silly risk.

    The only time I may punch at that height would be if I was attacked while sitting down and a guys standing over me or if I've been knocked down and they're standing over me but even then I wouldn't hit the leg I'd go straight to the groin
     
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    I guess if you are observing the 'no kicks to the head of a grounded opponent' rule. Otherwise you just have a nice low immobile kick target kneeling in front of you.
     
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    At that point either do a tech getup or fall to your back and upkick.imo. Position is really the most important thing, always.
     
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    Don't kneel. You hit the footwork same as a double leg.

    Sorry I suppose you could drop knee if you want.
     
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    Ya I was talking about the entry in the op video. Isn't that what we were talking about here?
     
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    Probably.

    I am suggesting how you can make it work.
     
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    So, shoot a double but punch to the leg instead?

    Ok then.
     
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    And then crack them in the head as they sprawl.
     
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    And then hit the double leg for reals.
     
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    Pretty cool. I think it would have been a bit different if the other guy was trying his hardest to resist you/pull some counter takedowns/throws. If this is for advertising (I know you just made your site), I'd like to see both the video you've got and what I just mentioned in a video as a prospective student.
     
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    At the 1:30 mark the ump gives advice that I feel important to Martial Artists trying new things.123
     

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