JKD Chi Sao Vs. Wing Chun Chi Sao

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  1. Mou Meng Gung Fu

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    I practice both Chi Sao (sticking hands) and Chi Gerk (sticking legs). In the beginning, I learned Chi Sao from the basic WCK goat stance, or high horse training stance (YCKYM), without using any footwork. Later on, I learned a JKD variation of Chi Sao performed the exact same way, except from a JKD ready stance, or phasic bent knee stance (BJ), in which there was more movement. However, as I started to progress in martial arts, I learned more WCK stances and footwork. Over time, there were fewer and fewer differences between them. I would say the only difference I see now is that JKD places more weight on the front leg, while WCK places more weight on the back leg. But even then there are times when both JKD and WCK will use a 50/50 neutral stance, so I guess it really just depends on who you're training with. In the style that I practice now, both stances are included and we are allowed to use whatever stance we want, because Chi Sao and Chi Gerk are still practiced the same way regardless of style.
     
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  2. wingchun100

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    No, it starts in YGKYM. We move around from there, but in JKD you are in the strong side forward stance to begin with.
     
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    Ok, I didn't realize the emphasis of the starting position. So are you saying that by starting chi sau in any position other that YJKYM, one is no longer practicing WC?
     
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    I learned t do Chi Sao initially in a JKD school. We practiced it in the YGKYM stance. From what I have seen and crossing hands with various people in Wing Chun and lineages... there really is no difference. We also trained in Chi Gerk. Also practiced being rooted and times when you might not want to be so rooted. We also practiced Chi Sao in the Bai Jong stance. 50/'50 weight with front leg bent and rear leg bent. Rear heal raised. (Typical JKD stance). The only variation to the stance was that the shoulders was squared up vs. being angled. And in this stance there is more movement with footwork. Slight angles, progression forward and back etc. It helps in training the ability to stay within a distance that you can stick to your opponent. I have seen some schools push really aggressively into one another.
    Basically... I think Chi Sao is Chi Sao. I don't think there is a difference between Wing Chun or JKD if it's being done properly and with the intent it was meant for.
     
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    I guess the easiest way for me to discover would be to make it to class. :)
     

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