Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Did someone say that hook punch exist in the WC system? How can you train hook punch without training the back fist?
you are saying this as if it is some kind of a law. It isn’t. It is an option. Nothing more.
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Did someone say that hook punch exist in the WC system? How can you train hook punch without training the back fist?
When you throw a left hook punch, your opponent rotates his right arm to avoid contact, and throw a right hook punch back at your head, what will you do?you are saying this as if it is some kind of a law. It isn’t. It is an option. Nothing more.
Any of a number of things are possible. Backfist is not mandatory.When you throw a left hook punch, your opponent rotates his right arm to avoid contact, and throw a right hook punch back at your head, what will you do?
When your opponent dodges under your hook, you change your hook into a back fist and hit on top of his head is a nature 1,2 combo.Any of a number of things are possible. Backfist is not mandatory.
From reading your posts over several years, I believe you see things as rules and absolutes. I don’t understand that. I see them as possibilities among many, with guiding principles.
I think the way you see it can be very limiting. The way I see it can be very liberating.
Yes it CAN be. It is one option among many. If you like it, use it. I am not disputing that. But you tend to express things as absolutes. They are not absolutes. They are options and possibilities.When your opponent dodges under your hook, you change your hook into a back fist and hit on top of his head is a nature 1,2 combo.
In MA, there are something that just com in as nature pair.
Did I ever use the word "absolute"?But you tend to express things as absolutes. They are not absolutes. They are options and possibilities.
Of course you did not use the word absolute. But you did say, “how can you train hook punch without training the back fist?” That implies you feel it is mandatory, that the two must go together.Did I ever use the word "absolute"?
Do you have to throw a back fist after you have thrown a hook? Of course you don't have to. You can throw hook, uppercut combo as well if your hook can obtain a head lock.
I assume OP also wanted to discuss... Did someone say that hook punch exist in the WC system? How can you train hook punch without training the back fist?
Missing with a hand and reversing it to strike in the opposite direction doesn't seem like a fast or powerful counter, unless I'm entirely misunderstanding what you're suggesting.When your opponent dodges under your hook, you change your hook into a back fist and hit on top of his head is a nature 1,2 combo.
In MA, there are something that just com in as nature pair.
Missing with a hand and reversing it to strike in the opposite direction doesn't seem like a fast or powerful counter, unless I'm entirely misunderstanding what you're suggesting.
That I could see. I was reading John's posts as putting it forth as a best-practice response when a hook doesn't connect. For me, if a hook doesn't connect, I'm probably both faster and more powerful following up with the other hand.It's not. But then again, the backfist is generally not a particularly powerful strike. But it could be argued that it's better than none, and even a lighter impact can be used to setup a more powerful attack.
That I could see. I was reading John's posts as putting it forth as a best-practice response when a hook doesn't connect. For me, if a hook doesn't connect, I'm probably both faster and more powerful following up with the other hand.
When your opponent dodges under your right hook, his head is moving to your right. Your right arm is jamming your own left arm, your left hand may not be able to reach to his head.That I could see. I was reading John's posts as putting it forth as a best-practice response when a hook doesn't connect. For me, if a hook doesn't connect, I'm probably both faster and more powerful following up with the other hand.
Interestingly, I found myself using such a combo in my heavy bag session today. I don’t see the hook as a “miss”, but rather as a strike to the inside of his elbow as he tries to strike me. From there, I roll it into the backfist. I am able to get a surprisingly good deal of power in it, at least in my opinion.Missing with a hand and reversing it to strike in the opposite direction doesn't seem like a fast or powerful counter, unless I'm entirely misunderstanding what you're suggesting.
It would be faster and more powerful because it’s the other hand. Wouldn’t matter which the first hand was, a follow up with the other would be faster and more powerful than stopping and reversing the first.Would your other hand be faster and more powerful because you practice it more? Or do you practice it more because it's faster and more powerful?
It would be faster and more powerful because it’s the other hand. Wouldn’t matter which the first hand was, a follow up with the other would be faster and more powerful than stopping and reversing the first.
In a case like that - where the strike met its target- that is probably as effective.Interestingly, I found myself using such a combo in my heavy bag session today. I don’t see the hook as a “miss”, but rather as a strike to the inside of his elbow as he tries to strike me. From there, I roll it into the backfist. I am able to get a surprisingly good deal of power in it, at least in my opinion.
I think that by landing the first hook, that changes the mechanics a bit from if it missed. Makes it easier to hit harder with the backfist. But it needs to be done with body connection.
I’m not picturing that. Maybe it’s just a technique I don’t own. The change of direction for the arm would be slower for me than using the gathered body tension with the other arm.You don't have to stop and reverse (although you can). You can loop it. Which may well be faster and stronger.
As effective as it can be, you mean? When the hook lands on the first strike, It can rebound or bounce off, can change directions more quickly than if you need to stop it in mid air and change directions.In a case like that - where the strike met its target- that is probably as effective.
Push with the feet and legs to rotate the torso. Push one direction, then push the other. Body connection for both strikes. Good power that way, and probably a quicker direction change. If youve practiced it enough.I’m not picturing that. Maybe it’s just a technique I don’t own. The change of direction for the arm would be slower for me than using the gathered body tension with the other arm.