>>He does mention Moncal, Bacon and Marranga
>>all of Balintawak note. He also uses balintawaks 12 basic strikes and
>>counters with the stance variations
>The balintawak numbering system and the Modern Arnis numbering system are actually different.
I didn't say the numbering system was the same. True, Strikes 3, 4, 6, 7,
8, 9 are switched around e.g. Modern Arnis 3 strike to the left shoulder is
a Balintawak strike to the right shoulder. However, the target areas,
general execution and types of strikes are the same.
My point being that Modern Arnis 12 basic strikes comes from Balintawak.
>>On the statement about agricultural or jungle fighting bolos.....well??
>>Looking through my books I don't see any particular difference between
>>the ones described in the books and the ones I have at home.
>Check out the DVD. Bram explains it far better than I do.
I try to bring back two or three knives back from the PI each trip. At
last count I have just over a dozen with these coming from different areas.
You can buy these knives from off street blacksmiths that forge them
mostly from leaf springs. If you tell them what you want they will make it
for you, however, the stock standard "bolo" ranges from about 18 in to 30
in. "Bolo" is a Tagalog word, Visayans use different words to distinguish
between the various types. Stock standard bolos are all of agricultural
use. Ask these guys to make you a "Jungle fighting bolo" and they will
look at you as if you're crazy. From any of my experience in the PI I've
never come across a "Jungle fighting bolo"
Interesting side point to the "Jungle Fighting Bolo" story is that there is
a rumour that a special machete was manufactured in Australia for the 978th
Signal Service company during WW2. These guys were Macarthur's "mission
men" inserted into the PI by submarine. They were trained both at Camp X
and jungle fighting by Australian troops at Canungra jungle training
centre. These guys were recruited from the 1st (and 2nd) Filipino
Regiments who fought in New Guinea and participated in the reinvasion of
the PI. For these guys the bolo was not standard issue. From what I can
tell no bolos were issued as part of the standard kit (unlike Gurkha's with
their Kurkri) for any of the Filipino troops raised either at the start of
the war in the PI or in the states.
>From what I know of balintawak having just been in cebu, I was told by
several masters >there that balintawak is stick based. Originally when
Anciong Bacon studied the art, it >was espada y daga based.
Anciong didn't study Balintawak, he created it. Moncal and Marranga were
just two of his senior students. The "poking of the dagger into training
partners" is pre Balintawak when he was involved with the Doce Pares club.
Who did you study with in Cebu?
>>all of Balintawak note. He also uses balintawaks 12 basic strikes and
>>counters with the stance variations
>The balintawak numbering system and the Modern Arnis numbering system are actually different.
I didn't say the numbering system was the same. True, Strikes 3, 4, 6, 7,
8, 9 are switched around e.g. Modern Arnis 3 strike to the left shoulder is
a Balintawak strike to the right shoulder. However, the target areas,
general execution and types of strikes are the same.
My point being that Modern Arnis 12 basic strikes comes from Balintawak.
>>On the statement about agricultural or jungle fighting bolos.....well??
>>Looking through my books I don't see any particular difference between
>>the ones described in the books and the ones I have at home.
>Check out the DVD. Bram explains it far better than I do.
I try to bring back two or three knives back from the PI each trip. At
last count I have just over a dozen with these coming from different areas.
You can buy these knives from off street blacksmiths that forge them
mostly from leaf springs. If you tell them what you want they will make it
for you, however, the stock standard "bolo" ranges from about 18 in to 30
in. "Bolo" is a Tagalog word, Visayans use different words to distinguish
between the various types. Stock standard bolos are all of agricultural
use. Ask these guys to make you a "Jungle fighting bolo" and they will
look at you as if you're crazy. From any of my experience in the PI I've
never come across a "Jungle fighting bolo"
Interesting side point to the "Jungle Fighting Bolo" story is that there is
a rumour that a special machete was manufactured in Australia for the 978th
Signal Service company during WW2. These guys were Macarthur's "mission
men" inserted into the PI by submarine. They were trained both at Camp X
and jungle fighting by Australian troops at Canungra jungle training
centre. These guys were recruited from the 1st (and 2nd) Filipino
Regiments who fought in New Guinea and participated in the reinvasion of
the PI. For these guys the bolo was not standard issue. From what I can
tell no bolos were issued as part of the standard kit (unlike Gurkha's with
their Kurkri) for any of the Filipino troops raised either at the start of
the war in the PI or in the states.
>From what I know of balintawak having just been in cebu, I was told by
several masters >there that balintawak is stick based. Originally when
Anciong Bacon studied the art, it >was espada y daga based.
Anciong didn't study Balintawak, he created it. Moncal and Marranga were
just two of his senior students. The "poking of the dagger into training
partners" is pre Balintawak when he was involved with the Doce Pares club.
Who did you study with in Cebu?