I hate the TSA!

[granfire]

ages 6 and up?
hmm, I think there is need for some pre-K material!

 

[ballen0351]

Easy to take shots at them. They have an unpopular job I think the number of complaints vs number of total passengers is very small. If your pissed they took your fingernail clippers well don't bring them and they can't take then. Either way they didn't set policy they just do what they are told

 

[Tames D]

When you pay crap you get crap as employees. The reason the FBI guys don't get arrested as much is because they pay well and have great benefits. Which translate to way more applications then open positions. So they can raise the standards and be very selective. When your paying 10 bucks an hour for a screener you get bottom of the barrel employees that just need a job.

But again I've never had a problem and am not bothered by TSA or extra security steps.

In my opinion The millions of dollars in lawsuits from the 9-11 attacks is why we have them. Has nothing really to do with security and more to say "well you can't sue us now we did something." And private companies don't want to touch it because the next time there is an attack they will be sued into nonexistence.

I don't think this is a good reson for an employee to take their job less seriously. If you're not happy with your pay, quit and find something that pays better.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Easy to take shots at them. They have an unpopular job I think the number of complaints vs number of total passengers is very small. If your pissed they took your fingernail clippers well don't bring them and they can't take then. Either way they didn't set policy they just do what they are told

I have more respect for mall cops.

"they just do what they are told" no, they make stuff up. They don't follow their own rules.

But don't worry. The TSA is now expanding. They're now going to be at bus stations, train stations, even truck stops. Their VIPER teams are heading out to infringe on citizens rights all across the US.
[h=3]T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security[/h]

A Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response team, sometimes Visible Intermodal Protection and Response (VIPR, or VIPER) is a Transportation Security Administration program. Various government sources have differing descriptions of VIPR's exact mission. It is specifically authorized by 6 U.S.C. § 1112 which says that the program is to "augment the security of any mode of transportation at any location within the United States". Authority for the program is under the Secretary of Homeland Security. The program falls under TSA's Office of Law Enforcement.[SUP][1][/SUP] TSA OLE shares responsibility for the program with the Office of Security Operations and Transportation Sector Network Management.[SUP][2][/SUP]
The VIPR teams detain and search travelers at railroad stations, bus stations, ferries, car tunnels, ports, subways, truck weigh stations, rest areas, and special events.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] They also can deploy to deal with CBRNE/WMD (chemical, biological, radioactive, nuclear, and explosive weapons of mass destruction).[SUP][8][/SUP] They also inspect ships, containers, and vehicles.[SUP][9][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Intermodal_Prevention_and_Response_team

They'll even be fondling your family at the football game. Go Team Go!

one thing to remember. TSA aren't Law Enforcement.
Only Federal Air Marshals and Transit Police have arrest powers.

Not sure if the person's a real cop? Kick him square in the tackle.
If he's a real cop, you'll be arrested for "assaulting an leo in the performance of their duties", "assaulting an officer", "interfering with government operations" and 12 other charges.
If not, you get a simple "assault" charge.
So do like Cartman would and kick them "square in the nutz"

See, real cops need "Probable Cause". The TSA? nope.

If a patdown is required in order to complete screening:

• The patdown should be conducted by an officer of the same gender. Sometimes, passengers must wait for an officer of the same gender to become available.
• The passenger can request a private screening at any time and a private screening should be offered when the officer must patdown sensitive areas. During a private screening, another TSA employee will also be present and the passenger may be accompanied by a companion of his or her choosing.
• A passenger may ask for a chair if he or she needs to sit down.
• A passenger should inform an officer before the patdown begins of any difficulty raising his or her arms, remaining in the position required for a pat-down, or any areas of the body that are painful when touched.
• A passenger should not be asked to remove or lift any article of clothing to reveal a sensitive body area.

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/pat-downs

[h=2]Breast cancer survivor forced to show prosthetic[/h] Cathy Bossi, a flight attendant for U.S. Airways and a breast cancer survivor, was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a TSA pat down. The TSA agent put her whole hand on Bossi's breast asking what she felt and then asked to see it. Bossi said the experience was horrific.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tsa-security-horror-stories-2010-11?op=1#ixzz2m45ZaFso
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[h=2]Cancer survivor leaves humiliated, covered in own urine[/h]

Bladder cancer survivor, Thomas Sawyer, was left "crying, humiliated and covered with his own urine," after a TSA pat down in the Detroit International Airport. Sawyer uses a urostomy bag which collects his urine in a bag from an opening in his stomach. TSA agents had no interest in Sawyer's medical condition, and even when he told them they would easily break his bag, the agent went ahead with the search, leaving Sawyer covered in his own urine.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tsa-security-horror-stories-2010-11?op=1#ixzz2m45eFMEH
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[h=2]TSA agent felt inside a woman's underwear[/h]

An ABC employee, Carolyn Durand, chose the pat down instead of the full body screen. Durand said the female TSA agent who performed her body search felt inside of her underwear. She described the situation as embarrassing and inappropriate.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tsa-security-horror-stories-2010-11?op=1#ixzz2m45n5LOJ
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[h=2]TSA agent puts hands down radio personality's pants[/h]

Radio host, Owen JJ Stone, was searched by a TSA agent who told Stone he had to put his hand down his pants. Stone chose to have the search done in public, fearing that in a private room the agent would be more aggressive in his search.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tsa-security-horror-stories-2010-11?op=1#ixzz2m45sv7ea
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A 27-year-old Ph.D. student says a TSA agent touched her vaginal area during a pat-down at a California airport; however, a representative told The Huffington Post the agents followed procedure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/29/ashley-jessica-tsa-video_n_3354522.html

"To say that I felt invaded is an understatement," she wrote in her blog. "What bothered me most was when she ran the back of her hands down my behind, felt around my breasts, and even came in contact with my vagina! Honestly, I was in shock, especially since the woman at LAX never actually touched me there. The TSA employee at DFW touched private area 4 times, going up both legs from behind and from the front, each time touching me there. Was I at my gynecologist’s office? No! This was crazy! I felt completely helpless and violated during the entire process (in fact, I still do), so I became extremely upset."
Castillo, who was Miss USA 2003 and was a former MTV VJ, said she talked with a TSA supervisor and filed a complaint on a comment card, online and via email.
The TSA has reviewed Castillo's complaint and "found that the officer followed proper procedures."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42805551/

[h=3]TSA admits to punishing travelers[/h]

However, when meeting with privacy officials at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and TSA later that month, I was told unofficially that there were two standards of pat-downs. One for the normal situation where passengers are going through metal detectors and a different pat-down for those who refuse to go through the whole-body scanners.
With this latest announcement, TSA admits that it has been clandestinely punishing passengers for refusing to go through the invasive whole-body scans with an even more intrusive aggressive pat-down and that soon those more invasive pat-down will creep from airport to airport.

[h=1]TSA Continues to Forbid Passengers from Recording Despite Policy[/h]

Despite a TSA policy that clearly states passengers have the right to video record themselves getting groped by screeners at security checkpoints, Transportation Security Administration officials still insist on intimidating passengers from doing so.
And to make matters worse, local police officers, for the most part, do nothing to dissuade screeners from abusing their own policies.

[h=1]The "Enhanced" Pat-Down:[/h] [h=1]Sexual Assault at the Airport[/h] The TSA has begun using an "enhanced" pat-down procedure for those who would rather not subject themselves to a full-body scan.
"To call it a pat-down is a euphemism," said a spokesman for the ACLU in Massachusetts. Previously, TSA screeners were required to use the back of their hands when searching sensitive regions. The enhanced pat-down rules allow them to use their palms and fingers to feel, twist, squeeze, and prod passengers.
For many men, women and children, this "enhanced pat down" is a traumatic experience.
Former Miss USA Susie Castillo recorded her reaction to the TSA pat down, which brought her to tears:

Miss USA molested by TSA​

Look at this little girls reaction to the pat down:

TSA "Pats Down" 3 Year Old​

You are never too old for a pat down:​

Like ‘Being Raped’: Elderly Woman Describes TSA Pat Down in St. Louis​

“I was shaking and crying when I left that room” Moroney says. “Under any other circumstance, if a person touched me like that without my permission, it would be considered criminal sexual assault.”
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94-year-old upset by TSA pat down​

"They groped her. All of her body. Her crotch, her breasts. And everything else," said son Joe Peterson.
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Here is another womans' description of her pat down:

Woman Says TSA Screener Sexually Assaulted Her​

Woman calls for police after being molested by TSA​

Other passengers, especially women and children, have had similar experiences.
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So if you're ok with this that's you're business. Me? I support any calls to disband the TSA, remove them from existance, prosecute and punish all members of this criminal gang, and focus on real security run professionally by professionals at our airports.

One other point: If you are an employee of the TSA, you are not welcome on MartialTalk.com.
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[Bob Hubbard]

At the end of the day, I don't like them. I don't think they are effective, I think they violate peoples rights, give the illusion of security while really not adding any, are a waste of tax payer money, and that there are better more effective options available. Most cops I know don't like them, most security experts think they are a joke, and their crimes continue to pile up.

I make you 1 promise. If I ever fly again, I will be wearing skin tight spandex pants, I will pop 20mg of viagra an hour before the flight, I will be wearing this shirt, and I will opt out. I will have someone video the results and live stream them so there is no doubt what happens.


But! If you want to work for the TSA, want the ability to be a bully, molest women and children, and get great discounts on electronics, you can work for them.
Job application right here.

 

[ballen0351]

Like I said quite a few complaints vs number of people that fly.
What's a better alternative in your mind? Give them badges and make then law enforcement? Guess what I search people all the times to include strip searches and inside underwear. That includes grabbing your crotch and all other areas people don't like strangers to touch.

 

[granfire]

Easy to take shots at them. They have an unpopular job I think the number of complaints vs number of total passengers is very small. If your pissed they took your fingernail clippers well don't bring them and they can't take then. Either way they didn't set policy they just do what they are told

you get allegations like this leveled against you as a cop, your days would be numbered.
And I mean serious ones, from credible people, not crack heads

 

[ballen0351]

At the end of the day, I don't like them. I don't think they are effective, I think they violate peoples rights, give the illusion of security while really not adding any, are a waste of tax payer money, and that there are better more effective options available. Most cops I know don't like them, most security experts think they are a joke, and their crimes continue to pile up.

I make you 1 promise. If I ever fly again, I will be wearing skin tight spandex pants, I will pop 20mg of viagra an hour before the flight, I will be wearing this shirt, and I will opt out. I will have someone video the results and live stream them so there is no doubt what happens.


But! If you want to work for the TSA, want the ability to be a bully, molest women and children, and get great discounts on electronics, you can work for them.
Job application right here.

Now your just being a child.

 

[ballen0351]

you get allegations like this leveled against you as a cop, your days would be numbered.
And I mean serious ones, from credible people, not crack heads

Allegations of what? That the searched someone and had to touch their breast or crotch? Well we look there because that is where people hide stuff. There is a reason we search there.

 

[ballen0351]

The enhanced pat-down rules allow them to use their palms and fingers to feel, twist, squeeze, and prod passengers.
For many men, women and children, this "enhanced pat down" is a traumatic experience.


Seriously we are being a little bit over dramatic here. Traumatic huh? I bet it wasn't so traumatic that you canceled your vacation or spent the rest of your trip hiding in a hotel. That's a little disrespectful to real victims of a real traumatic experience.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Like I said quite a few complaints vs number of people that fly.
What's a better alternative in your mind? Give them badges and make then law enforcement? Guess what I search people all the times to include strip searches and inside underwear. That includes grabbing your crotch and all other areas people don't like strangers to touch.

Allegations of what? That the searched someone and had to touch their breast or crotch? Well we look there because that is where people hide stuff. There is a reason we search there.

You're a cop. You are a duly designated law enforcement official. I believe you have training? Arrest powers? Swear an oath to defend the Constitution?

The TSA are: Not LEO's. Do not have arrest powers. Barely have training. Have no clue what a Constitution is.

But tell you what. I think you might be hiding some contraband. How about I give you a TSA quality pat down? I'm -just as qualified- as the guy at the airport is.

[h=1]Audit Faults TSA’s Training of Airport Screeners as Rushed, Poorly Supervised[/h]

It turns out the TSA’s screener-training program suffers from systemic problems, including a shortage of on-the-job training monitors, slow or malfunctioning computers, and managers who fail to give TSOs enough time to keep up to date on their their legally-required training, according to a timely report from the Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General.
“TSOs described rushing through course material without devoting the attention needed to retain the lessons,” reads the report, which is dated Oct. 26, and was made public last week. “TSA officials agreed that if TSOs hurry through training courses because they are not being allocated sufficient time by management or they do not have access to training computers, they may not receive adequate or quality training.” (.pdf)

The DHS found this out. Wired is just reporting it.

Now your just being a child.

That application is based on -actual TSA screw ups-. I pass out printed copies to cops at seminars. In 3 years you're the first to state you don't like it.

Oh well.



I just hope if I ever fly again I can sit next to Adam Savage.
[h=3]Adam Savage: TSA saw my junk, missed 12″ razor blades[/h]

 

[ballen0351]

So I'll ask again what's a better way?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

[h=3]TSA Gets a Taste of Their Own Medicine, Woman Arrested for Groping TSA Agent at Phoenix Airport [/h]
[h=3]TSA's Embarrassing Week: ABC News' Brian Ross iPad Video; Two Loaded Guns Go Undetected [/h]
[h=3]TSA molests mom, brings her to tears [/h]
[h=3]Blogger tricks TSA body scanners[/h]
[h=3]Woman Screams for Police after TSA Airport Pat Down[/h]
[h=3]TSA pulls pants off 71 y/o man with knee implant [/h]
[h=3]TSA Nabs Suspected Al Queda Terrorist At Chicago Airport, A toddler in a wheelchair [/h]

 

[ballen0351]

People miss stuff in searches all the time. There is a video of a guy that blows his head off in an interview room in a police station. He was in the station for shooting a cop. He was searched by at least 4 officers and they all missed a 1911 handgun.
I missed a .357 on a pat down once. It happens

As for the rest TSA "molests" mom. Its nonsense and disrespectful to real victims

 

[ballen0351]

How many times have you been bothered by TSA there Bob? I fly every now and again. Nobody has ever bothered me. I know the rules and don't bring prohibited items. I empty my pockets as requested. I've never had a problem. Have you? Oh wait you already said NO they have not bothered you either.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

So I'll ask again what's a better way?

I thought the screeners at SFX were professional when I flew through there. Of course, they are -private- security, a program the TSA has blocked from expanding.

The nudiscanners didn't work. The TSA is already tossing billions of dollars in them out. But the lobbyist who sold em got paid so who cares right?

[h=3]TSA gets rid of full-body scanners at US airports[/h]TSA has completely removed revealing X-ray scanners


But how to fix this.

How about this?

1- do better background checks. Some estimates show that 40-60% of TSA screeners have criminal records. I dont think these are the people we want doing security work.

2- Stop the theatrics. No more "Freeze Tag".

3- Do real screening. Not the easily circumvented stuff we're doing now. Hell, anyone with some thinking can forge a pass that gets past the visual-only checks.

[h=1]Smoke Screening[/h]
As you stand in endless lines this holiday season, here’s a comforting thought: all those security measures accomplish nothing, at enormous cost. That’s the conclusion of Charles C. Mann, who put the T.S.A. to the test with the help of one of America’s top security experts.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/12/tsa-insanity-201112

Read that. Then tell me that a real terrorist is going to be caught by this joke organization.

The day before, I had downloaded an image of a boarding pass from the Delta Web site, copied and pasted the letters with Photoshop, and printed the results with a laser printer. I am not a photo-doctoring expert, so the work took me nearly an hour. The T.S.A. agent waved me through without a word.

a T.S.A. agent had darted out and swabbed my hands with a damp, chemically impregnated cloth: a test for explosives. Schneier said, “Apparently the idea is that al-Qaeda has never heard of latex gloves and wiping down with alcohol.”

After a public outcry, T.S.A. officers began waving through medical supplies that happen to be liquid, including bottles of saline solution. “You fill one of them up with liquid explosive,” Schneier said, “then get a shrink-wrap gun and seal it. The T.S.A. doesn’t open shrink-wrapped packages.”

The security bottlenecks are regularly bypassed by large numbers of people—airport workers, concession-stand employees, airline personnel, and T.S.A. agents themselves (though in 2008 the T.S.A. launched an employee-screening pilot study at seven airports). “Almost all of those jobs are crappy, low-paid jobs,” Schneier says. “They have high turnover. If you’re a serious plotter, don’t you think you could get one of those jobs?”

The scanners cannot detect petn directly; instead they look for suspicious bulges under clothing. Because petn is a Silly Putty–like material, it can be fashioned into a thin pancake. Taped flat to the stomach, the pancake is invisible to scanning machines. Alternatively, attackers could stick gum-size wads of the explosive in their mouths, then go through security enough times to accumulate the desired amount.

Here's a few thoughts. Want to shut the airport down? Fly on the day before Thanksgiving, in a heavy coat, with tnt strapped to you, then go boom right by the nudiscan. You'll kill 100-200 people, shut the airport down for days, and cause the nation to collectively crap itself. Billions of dollars lost, and it just costs you $100 in explosives and 1 nutcase looking for 72 virginians. Do it at 2-3 airports and you **** up the country for weeks and cause years of over reaction.

You're a cop. How do you stop that? Because nothing currently in action will stop that if someone wanted to do it.

Car bomb in the passenger pick up spots. Just 2-3 every couple years will keep underwear soiled.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

How many times have you been bothered by TSA there Bob? I fly every now and again. Nobody has ever bothered me. I know the rules and don't bring prohibited items. I empty my pockets as requested. I've never had a problem. Have you? Oh wait you already said NO they have not bothered you either.

I don't fly. Let them stop me when I'm driving to TX. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll just keep asking if I'm free to go or being detained, and if there are any real cops around.

 

[ballen0351]

Here's a few thoughts. Want to shut the airport down? Fly on the day before Thanksgiving, in a heavy coat, with tnt strapto you, then go boom right by the nudiscan. You'll kill 100-200 people, shut the airport down for days, and cause the nation to collectively crap itself. Billions of dollars lost, and it just costs you $100 in explosives and 1 nutcase looking for 72 virginians. Do it at 2-3 airports and you **** up the country for weeks and cause years of over reaction.

You're a cop. How do you stop that? Because nothing currently in action will stop that if someone wanted to do it.

You cant there is no way to prevent everything. If someone wants to kill you they will. In reality there is no security. Changing all TSA agents to FBI SWAT memebers and your scenario would still happen

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Exactly. So why are they fondling kids and handicapped and old grandmothers? We're not more secure, just more paranoid and more harassed.

Save some money, focus on the stuff that works, and let me bring my pies on the plane again.

Or, sit me next to this gal.

 

[ballen0351]

Exactly. So why are they fondling kids and handicapped and old grandmothers? We're not more secure, just more paranoid and more harassed.

Save some money, focus on the stuff that works, and let me bring my pies on the plane again.

Or, sit me next to this gal.

Who's being harassed? You keep using that term. I see no harassment. Also nobody's being fondled. A pat down isn't fondling if it was I've fondled a lot of nasty dirty men in my time.