Help on Chow Research

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  1. Mattattack

    Mattattack Yellow Belt

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    Hello all,

    I'm doing some Kenpo Karate lineage research and I'm posting this to do a bit of crowdsourcing. I'm hoping some of you can suggest sources on William K.S. Chow.

    Kenpo history is controversial and there is A LOT of contradictory stuff out there, so any primary sources/documents any of you can point met to would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks for your time!
     
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    Headhunter Senior Master

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    Lineage facts in kenpo is myths and stories there's no way of knowing any of it
     
  3. Mattattack

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    So I have found out. It's like solving a rubiks cube while wearing oven mitts...in the dark. The best I'm hoping for is secondary sources to compare and suss out what seems plausible. Hence why I'm asking for assistance.
     
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    Headhunter Senior Master

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    Maybe have a look on kenpotalk and ask around. There's a few guys who students of ed Parker who may know
     
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    They might be able to point to people who were students of Chow, who might be available
     
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    hoshin1600 Senior Master

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    the greater question is are you prepared for the truth?
     
  7. Mattattack

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    I did research on Mitose before this. Researching my doctoral dissertaiton was less frustrating. Trust me, I'm not going into this with any illusions.
     
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    hoshin1600 Senior Master

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    but what if the entire thing was a figment of his imagination and the art came to him from a dream,,,if this is your art will you be ok with that, will you believe it? will others believe you when you tell them?
    as Steven King wrote in Pet Cemetary....."sometimes dead is better". in this case sometimes fiction is better.
     
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    hoshin1600 Senior Master

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    i would be interested in your conclusions on Mitose, if your open to share in a PM.
     
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    Likewise
     
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    At some point someone made all of it up. Purity tests lead to frustration. I was OBSESSED with figuring out whether Mitose made it all up or not. I'm less worried about what I'll find out about Chow. The one thing that seems consistent in the stories I have seen of him is that Chow was a tough sonofabitch, and my particular branch has been in the hands of other capable martial artists since then like Adriano Emperado, so I'm not worried about feeling completely invalidated if I find out Chow invented stuff out of thin air.
     
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    agreed. linage and history do not equate quality. sometimes but not always.
    but people tend not to like you too much if you burst their bubble.
     
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    I know a couple of old school Kajukenbo guys out here. Next time I see them I'll see what I can find out.
     
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