Hapkido Forms

[hapkido_mgd]

Just a general question. My teacher does not teach forms in Hapkido. I don't really have a problem with this, but other students in my class want him to teach them. I'm just trying to get a feel for how many schools are actually teaching the Hapkido forms?

 

[Cthulhu]

When I was at a Hapkido Dojang, I heard the instructor tell someone that Hapkido (at least as he teaches it) doesn't have forms, which is one of the reasons he has a TKD class there as well...for his Hapkido students who would also like to learn some forms.

I could have heard wrong, though.

Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

I heard the instructor tell someone that Hapkido (at least as he teaches it) doesn't have forms

That's part of the problem with Hapkido I guess. There are so many different styles of Hapkido being taught around the world. You never know what other people are being taught. Thanks for responding though Cthulhu.

 

[Chris from CT]

Originally posted by hapkido_mgd

Just a general question. My teacher does not teach forms in Hapkido. I'm just trying to get a feel for how many schools are actually teaching the Hapkido forms?

Welcome aboard!

We do learn forms, but they are mostly weapon forms. We do alot of Ho Shin Sul work. As far as empty hand forms, I have only had to learn one in Hapkido. I needed to learn the Chulgi/Nihanchi for my 1st dan.

Take care.

 

[hapkido_mgd]

Thanks for posting Chris. I guess I need to clarify that it was the empty-handed forms I was talking about. Out school does teach the weapons forms for Hapkido. What is the Chulgi/Nihanchi form? I've never heard of it. Where could I get some info on it? Some guys in my class would love to hear about it. Thanks again!!!

 

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by hapkido_mgd

Thanks for posting Chris. I guess I need to clarify that it was the empty-handed forms I was talking about. Out school does teach the weapons forms for Hapkido. What is the Chulgi/Nihanchi form? I've never heard of it. Where could I get some info on it? Some guys in my class would love to hear about it. Thanks again!!!

I think Chris may be referring to one of the Naihanchi forms, which were renamed by the Shotokan people to Tekki. There are three of them.

You can see video clips of them here:

http://ctr.usf.edu/shotokan/kata.html

Some TKD people from way back may still do them, as well as the Pinan/Heian/Pyong An(?) forms.

Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

Thanks for the link Cthulhu. That was more related to Karate though, right? I'm still trying to find some actual empty-handed forms for Hapkido itself. Or do other schools teach empty-handed forms from other styles?

 

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by hapkido_mgd

Thanks for the link Cthulhu. That was more related to Karate though, right? I'm still trying to find some actual empty-handed forms for Hapkido itself. Or do other schools teach empty-handed forms from other styles?

No problem. I know it's a Shotokan site, but it has clips of the Tekki forms, which are just the Naihanchi forms with a different name, which is the form that Chris from CT mentioned he had to learn for his 1st dan in Hapkido.

Remember that for some time, the Korean martial arts, particularly TKD, utilized Okinawan forms. Around the time TKD was being considered for the Olympics (and maybe even before), there was a mass effort to purge the Okinawan/Japanese forms from the Korean martial arts. Even though they are rarely practiced by today's Korean stylists, they still pop up now and then.

So, if Hapkido schools do borrow forms from other Korean systems, there is a very good chance that form could actually be Okinawan in origin.

I'll keep poking around. If I find any reference to actual Hapkido forms, I'll pop that info up here.



Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

You are so correct Cthulhu!!!! I knew about the Japanese influence with Hapkido, but totally forgot it when I posted that last itme.

I guess it is possible for other schools to be using forms that are in fact based on Okinawan forms. Still haven't heard back from Chris on this though. I would really like to know his take on this.

If you do see anything else let me know Cthulhu.

Thanks again

:asian:

 

[Cthulhu]

Okay, I found...something. This site:

www.ironcrane.com/html/hkdhytxt.html

Has some blurb on Hapkido, and at the bottom of the site, there is a link to a page with six videos, each with two views. The videos aren't of the best quality. As far as the forms performed in the videos, well, I'll have to let you judge them on your own.

On another site, I found a reference to five Hapkido forms, but no videos or even descriptions. There were simply labeled 'Hapkido hyung' 1 through 5.

Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

OK, I'm not insane and I do not normally post the same thing twice. That last post is what happens when you accidentally refrsh the wrong window!!!

Thanks Cthulhu, that last like was very informative!!! The forms in the videos did look pretty cool too. I would have changed the music though. It was like stepping into a 70's B-Movie!!! But thats what the volume knob is for, right?

Thanks again :asian:

 

[Cthulhu]

Don't worry about it...I went ahead and deleted the duplicate post.

I wish the person doing those forms did them a bit 'crisper'. Several times, he looks like he's just waving his arms around. Then again, for all I know, that's exactly how they're supposed to look.

Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

Thanks Cthulhu, I tried to delete it but it would not let me.

I was just happy to see an example of what the forms are supposed to look like period. He probably could be doing the movements a little better. But maybe he was listening to the music while doing them!!! That would explain it!! :roflmao:

Thanks again Master Moderator :asian:

 

[Cthulhu]

No prob on the delete...that's what I'm here for

I should have posted a warning about that music. Ugh. In one of the videos, there's a closeup of the guy...and he's wearing a headband. Couple that with the music, and you've really got a bad '70s thing going there.

Cthulhu

 

[hapkido_mgd]

He seems to have brought the worst of the 70's with him.

:lol:

 

[Chris from CT]

You guys were cruisin!! I come back the next day and BANG, all these posts. I guess I was missing out.

Cthulhu was totally right. It was the Naihanchi Shodan that I had to learn. I put Chulgi/Naihanchi because that form/hyung is more commonly known by Naihanchi rather than its Korean name (Chulgi). There are good teachers that teach forms and good ones that don't. Either way is good as long as the teacher can pass on the lesson to be learned to the student.

Sorry to get back so late.
Take care

 

[hapkido_mgd]

No problem Chris. Just wanted to hear your side of it. I'm happy because I was able to get some info on Hapkido forms. So I will be able to go to class tonight armed with new info.

Thanks for your posts guys!!!

:asian:

 

[Chris from CT]

Oh, one other thing I forgot!
Dojunim Choi, Yong Sul didn't teach any forms when he started Hapkido. (depending on the time it was also called: Yawara, Hapki Yu Sool, Dae Dong Ryu Yu Sool, etc.) Any Hapkido forms were added by his students afterwards. Like I said before, "Either way is good as long as the teacher can pass on the lesson to be learned to the student."

Take care.

 

[vincefuess]

The one form I watched looked pretty cool- but I am at work and we have a really slow connection here, so the qualtity was almost unwatchable. I'll download them at home and check 'em out better. The music was like from a 70's porn flick or something- I kept waiting to see Ron Jeremy peek around the corner!

 

[hapkido_mgd]

:roflmao: