For All The Taekwondo Bashers The Real Truth On Taekwondo From My View

Discussion in 'Tae-Kwon-Do' started by kwon 17, Jul 5, 2005.

  1. kwon 17

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  2. Hollywood1340

    Hollywood1340 2nd Black Belt

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    Um, a few notes if I may. Typing is all caps is yelling and considered bad form, and very rude. Courtesy ya know. U is spelled y-o-u. Punctuation is a good thing. Around here, people take seriously those who type seriously. Your points are well meant, but retyping them might be of use. Expecially as a 2nd dan. Dan ranks are noticed around here (Including 8th and above) Welcome to the boards.
     
  3. kwon 17

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    Thankyou for the information 1340 I really dont like using correct grammar on the net,I usually just use slang.However, thanks for the information and I will
    reconsider since you asked so politely
     
  4. Andrew Green

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    Yup, that sure helped...

    Yikes... I'm not even gonna attempt to read it...

    No one is going to take anything you say seriously if it is typed like that.
     
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    And your response to them is based on your experiences with what other arts with which you compare your TKD training?

    This is your first post. You typed in all caps, which in e-communication indicates yelling... Certainly no one is taking offense, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by presenting your argument with "U" instead of "you," and other teenaged shorthand...

    Perhaps because the bulk of the schools that "TKD Bashers" have had their experience with present exactly that kind of public front... They all kick high, they teach "sine wave" (which I still don't fully grasp, but it sounds like garbage - more on that later), etc. You are asking them to go against the direct evidence that supports their beliefs...

    I think what you meant to say was that "not all schools are alike," and perhaps not, but the bulk of the schools are.

    No, it is perhaps the words you would expect to hear from a non-martial artist... Real martial artists have training that directly contradicts the bulk of what it is taught in TKD schools.

    Well, we certainly aren't the ones making those kinds of people do that, now are we? Nor are we the kind that are encouraging it.

    After 9 years or training, you don't know why you are taught to kick high? Pity... :idunno: You'd think after nearly a decade of training you'd understand more about your own art.

    Good for you.

    So in a bar fight situation, you'll still attempt a head kick? Silly rabbit, such tricks are likely to get you stomped... :rolleyes:

    It is a simple cost/benefit analysis... The risk you take for the chance of a KO is too great to validate putting yourself in an untenable position. Hence the criticism, widespread and not style specific, of TKD's constant high kicks.

    Now imagine a guy with several friends, one of whom is picking up that chair behind you and getting ready to clock you as you are chambering your pretty kick at his buddy...

    It is best to keep your feet where they can do you the most good - solidly planted on the ground.

    So you were taught it, but your teacher didn't emphasize it the way the rest of your association does...?

    So you imply that the way it is normally taught is not combat effective? You just joined the ranks of the same naysayers you are trying to argue against...

    It seems you ask the same question your detractors ask... Do you have an answer based on your 9 years of ITF TKD training?

    Is that what they taught you, or is this your own revelation?

    If it is the technique I'm thinking of, it is an inefficient use of movement to effect what amounts to a total committment technique. If you miss, or you are too small to effect your opponent... :idunno:

    That's really a little late to teach someone to use the appendages that are most easily controlled, most effectively trained, and easiest to employ... That's like saying you are going to wait until black belt to teach someone how to defend against someone with a weapon... Wait, TKD does that, too... Oh well. :rolleyes: I'm sure the guy with the knife will wait until after your black belt test to attack you in a closed in, confined space. Criminals are nice like that.

    Sure it does. That's why even in TKD point sparring tournaments hand and foot techniques carry equal weight in points value, right? Oh, that's right, they don't...

    Why would they have to incorporate boxing into TKD if TKD is so worthwhile? Your arguement is rapidly falling apart as your contradictions grow in number...

    Only one? Wow. Nine years and the best you can find in your forms is one whole "nerve strike" in one form, and a basic one at that. Scary. :idunno:

    Ya think? Thanks for clarifying...

    Too bad you can't see the forest since there are so many trees in the way.

    Enjoy.
     
  6. Matt Stone

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    Because, of course, so many people you've never met are going to allow for such a personal idiosyncracy and think you are in fact a highly educated and literate person instead of a teenager with no coherent argument...

    Whatever. :rolleyes:
     
  7. kwon 17

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    Damn you Matt.You just pointed out all of my mistakes and made me look very dumb while it,thankyou very much.I would love to respond to all my mistakes you commented on but its just too many.I am speachless.All I have to say is I have way more knowledge of Taekwon do and writing than that article displayed.:whip:
     
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    So do it again...
     
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    Well only one thing in that statement was true and that was when you said I was a teen,In fact I am 17 going on 18.
     
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    To all who read this person's post.

    I would like to apologize on behalf of TKD pratctitioners everywhere for this person's behavior. Aside from what you may gather from his schizophrenic mumblings, most TKD practitioners are actually quite literate. Please do not associate his ramblings with those of other practitioners. Thank you.

    (Oh, and Kwon, don't go branding the WTF schools as sports schools. My school (WTF), actually does full-contact sparring, and same point values on hand and foot techniques. The school up the road from us, (ITF), will only do point sparring, because, and I quote from one of their public demonstrations, "We don't do continuous sparring. It tends to get too dangerous and aggressive.")

    Thanks.
     
  12. Hollywood1340

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    Okay as I see it, you have to paths
    1. Do it again with a "Any questions, I'll try and answer them best I can"
    2. Don't
    I'm a CHKD guy and the bashers are immense. But for me it's never US vs. THEM it's US. So try and find the common ground, start there, then explain why and HOW you do it. It'll make future discussions go much easier. There is much knowledge to be gained here, and I hope you'll look into it. All of it ;)
     
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    I'd figured as much, what with the "kwon17" bit.

    Here's the deal... You are 17, and with 9 years of TKD behind you, that means you started when you were 8. That also means that the bulk of what you've learned, up until maybe the last 2 years or so, was crap.

    You were a child. For that matter, you still are. Age notwithstanding, you are still not fully developed until you are in your early 20s. Not my rule, blame God. That means that the lion's share of your training was done by a child with a child's mind and a child's body. You simply weren't capable, mentally or physically, of learning anything else. And since you have been taught since such a young, eager to learn age, you hold it all very dear to you. That explains your outrage when "TKD bashers" attack the art you've devoted half your life to.

    The same thing happens when people are shown holes in their religious upbringing, when they are betrayed by family members, etc. It is understandable.

    What you have the opportunity to do, here, is to tap into literally hundreds of years worth of experience in the form of senior instructors from literally dozens and dozens of other styles. Formulate your theory. Write it coherently and in an organized fashion. Present your argument, and see if it holds water. If it begins to leak, seek out teachers who will help you understand where those leaks come from, and more importanly how to shore them up...

    Or, write in slang and be a punk.

    The choice is yours...

    (And just as an example of first hand experience, I'm living in Korea for the second time in my life, and the TKD they teach even here is loaded with garbage and black belts are nearly guaranteed in a year or less...)
     
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    Someone should do a "Myths of TKD" thread.
    Debunk the "kicking people off horses" myth, as well as the "1 promotion for each time zone crossed while traveling to US to open school" myth.
     
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    I thought those were called "threads about TKD."

    If it were a myth, it could be debunked... :rolleyes:
     
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    Good thing I train TKD here in MT, we have to kick people of horses all the time, cause we ride 'em and all. Yeah...okay back to topic.
     
  18. kwon 17

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    Damn Matt don't you think It was kind of rude for you to say that what I learned was ******** when you never even seen my physical skill or mental skill in Taekwon Do
     
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    Hollywood1340 2nd Black Belt

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    Dude....um..you come off worse in the other forum. And it's going downhill here. *sits back to watch more fireworks* I hate to speak to black belt this way, but please, if not your age, act your rank!
     
  20. kwon 17

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    Your making it seem as if I train at one of those mcdojangs that you see everywhere in the U.S.If you were to see me an action you'd surely be proved wrong.I mean I do take pride in what I learn obviously,If i didn't care I wouldn't of made an attempt to type the stuff that you read and dissaproved of.123
     

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