Female patrons

Discussion in 'Security and Bouncers' started by JizzyB, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. ilhe4e12345

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    for female customers, we treated them jsut like the guys...if your gonna act like a guy, your gonna get treated like a guy. One of the new recruits before i left had to deal with a female patron who was...lets jsut say that "special" kind of drunk and she kept making out with the strippers and really trying to go beyond that. At first everyone cheered and laughed and we let it go because it was jsut a kiss....but then she climbed on stage and pulled a stripper down and could have gotten hurt....he went over and told her that she cant do that trying to b as nice as he could. Without any real warning she booted him right in the Jimmy......poor guy dropped and we ended up physically picking this girl up and throwing her outside. Her boyfriend tried to act tuff and swung at me.....i popped his wrist into a lock and dragged him out.....

    all in all just remember....just because shes a girl doesnt mean she gets special rules (accept cheaper entrance fee lol) thats about it....
     
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    So, where can we find these male strippers?
     
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    Hide your eyes! You are too young for this missy!! :D
     
  4. ilhe4e12345

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    we actually use to do random "male stripper nights" and let me tell you....that was jsut...it was different. Im straight and not freaked out by seeing another dudes junk or anything but the first time we did that, there must have been about 100 women at the club.....and the male strippers that the owner had in for that night where probably the most well built men i have ever seen in my life....not super muscles, not fat just lean and built...sorry no pictures, as thats not my thing :) sorry
     
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    Before I started in Corrections and then later LE, I always said I wouldn't hit a woman. After working in the field for close to 15 years now, I have altered my stance and view and say "I would never hit a lady". A lady is NEVER going to act in such a manner that I would have to put my hands on her.

    As a side note. Most of the injuries I saw that occurred in uses of force in the jail were from women because people didn't want to control their behavior and didn't do what needed to be done and it kept escalating and someone got hurt.

    Come along wrist locks are a nice way to escort someone out of a place without looking violent. Especially if you can work as a team with another co-worker to help control.
     
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    I worked briefly as a bouncer, but learned very quickly that I'd much rather deal with 10 drunk guys than 1 drunk female. I also learned very quickly that for the most part that you cannot be the "nice guy" when dealing with either drunk females (or males). I've had to drag more than a few out kicking and screaming from the bar, I just chalked it up being part of the job.
     
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    I've dealt with drunken violent women before and really don't like it but the worst women ever to deal with were the Greeham Common lot. Far from being the peaceful protestors they claimed to be they were actually quite violent. They actually cut of a soldiers fingertip with a bolt cutter when they were trying to break into the camp by cutting the wire, he had his hands on the wire and they snipped his fingertip off. They were also very dirty and smelt to high heaven. They would also stand in front of the troops guarding the camp ( joint American and British) lift their skirts and pee. Nice. They were totally awful to deal with.
    I don't want to alarm those of you concerned about the Wall Street protestors but the Greeham Common lot didn't finish until 2000, 19 years after they started!
     
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    Necroing threads all over the place.

    One thing that was not mentioned. Use two guys. Either grab both her arms is a technical ninja hold. ( I have a figure four arm grab thing)
    Or just grab her arms. Walk her out. Then she can't hit you and that does not start an escalation which winds up making you look bad.

    I do have a one up escort but it is difficult to explain.
    Get around to her back. Overhook both arms. Use one arm to grab her elbow. So you have one arm controlling both of hers. Walk her out.

    It looks nice and you have good control.
     
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    I think in this day and age a bouncer has to worry more about what might happen AFTER the female patron was removed. By that I mean, "He grabbed my boob. Is that necessary to get me out of the club?" LOL
     
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    Sorry, I have to disagree with the "cannot be the nice guy" If you take charge of the situation even before you respond, you approach and offer a friendly ear. I have defused many simmering situations and walked them out without further incident. If they have kicked off, then yes being nice is not going to work, but the job is not just being heavy handed.
     
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    If the problem has already escalated to the physical, then you are already late to the game. My favorite bar, back in the day, had a simple policy. Once the arguing started, the "public relations people" went over and said that the manager would like a word over here where it is more quiet. "Over Here" was always near the door. Once there, the noisemakers were escorted out the door. They were not allowed back in to get anything. Someone else had to bring it out.
    My son just finished working at a bar/restaurant as the door person. He was always accompanied by an armed police officer outside the door. I never got to see him work but it basically involved a bum's rush where you get them up on their toes and moving forward till you get out the door.
     
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    Yeah normal MO as to how you deal with the initial confrontation. It is not difficult to deal with females in the main. Sadly a lack of female door staff over here, so it makes it difficult to do the job politically, rather than anything else.
     
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    I don't know what to tell you bro, I never have any problems with the ladies. The sight of my 6'3" muscular body is enough to turn the troublesome female patron into a quivering plate of jello.
     
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    Irrespective of whatever else you are up to on here.. thank you for giving me a proper laugh today :) x
     
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    Uhhh...thanks I guess. I'm not sure what's supposed to be funny in my post, but perhaps you could explain it to me over a drink some night.
     
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    Good professional restraints work on girls. And honestly if you can package the girl up well so it doesn't get silly. Nobody really cares.

    One of the tricks with girls is not to show aggression. So even if you are scrapping with them smile,laugh play the crowd off as if it was a joke.

    I wrestled a girl last night who snatched my radio because I had refused her at the door.
     
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    Women get treated as equal, gender doesn't come in to play when rules are broken
     
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    The advice given above about speaking to them and reminding them that the courtesy given to a woman has reached its end is very good. The optimum time to get involved in a problem is right when it is starting, which is easier to say than to do, I get it. Simply "arriving" on the scene (they generally don't notice anyone except the person who is offending them or working them up, male or female), and simply stating something non-confrontational like, "Is everyone OK over here?" Works well, even if it sounds dumb. It gives them the opportunity to turn something which was about to go physical into a verbal thing wherein they plead their respective cases... hopefully to someone they look on as a person with authority.

    But, sometimes that doesn't work or you are not in time to get it to work and the physical is required. I always found that if someone moved in the slightest way aggressively towards me when I was working the floor - and I had established who, or rather What, I am while working (paid security) and I immediately moved in, quartered them, and simply took their balance with something unexpected (do NOT swing) the situation was almost always over, right there. It's difficult to fight when you are sort of standing on one leg, off balance and bent one way or the other just a bit. If they try to flail, you control them and apply pain, but try very hard to not injure, you expose your establishment to lawsuits - which are expensive to defend even if they do not win.

    But, treat female patrons just like male ones when they get out of line. Perhaps, with even a bit more respect as women simply don't react as men do, they are not trained in bluff/reaction cycles the way men, rather boys, are in early school.
     
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    I will have to video my funky girl lock. It works a treat.
     
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    Being a woman myself, I don't like seeing women who misbehaves. Approaching them with respect can help tame them, avoid using harsh words as it would provoke them more and avoid touching or physically assaulting them as much as you can cause you'll be in a lot of trouble if you do so.
     

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