Create your own combos

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  1. Kung Fu Wang

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    Assume you have 4 punching tools in your tool box such as

    - jab,
    - cross,
    - hook,
    - uppercut.

    You can create your 3 punches punching combos with 4 x 4 x 4 = 64 different combinations. Most combos will make sense such as jab, jab, jab. But some combos may not make sense such as cross, cross, cross.

    For simplicity, you assume that the inverse is the same combo such as:

    - right jab, right jab, right jab
    - left jab, left jab, left jab

    Also if you separate left arm and right arm, you can have 4 different combo:

    - right, right, right
    - right, right, left
    - right, left, right
    - right left, left

    For example, your hook, hook, hook combo can be:

    - right hook, right hook, right hook
    - right hook, right hook, left hook
    - right hook, left hook, right hook
    - right hook, left hook, left hook.

    64 x 4 = 256 maximum number of different combo. This may sound complicate. But if you have gone through this analysis, you will learn how to use punch 1 to set up punch 2, and use punch 2 to set up punch 3. This is a scientific way to create your combos.

    Your thought?
     
  2. Ivan

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    All punch combinations make sense, just not to everyone.
    You might think leading with the back hand is unorthodox. It is but Roy Jones Jr made it work like a charm. You may also think triple hooks don't work either. But I utilise them constantly, and so did Roy Jones Jr.

    Also, if you believe some combinations can't be counted then your math would be a little bit off
     
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    Too much for me. I rather keep combos based on body mechanics and how the human body reacts to punches. For example:

    You throw 1 hook to the body. Figure out what comes next by determining the most common reaction that humans have after being hit with a hook punch. There are 2 realities: The hook lands or it doesn't land. From here you can start mapping out "What punch should come next." as part of the combo
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    You would need more pictures than this and you'll need to make sure that you are looking at the right punch some of these are uppercuts. But for the sake of understanding just assume they are all hooks.

    Step 1: Analyze the photos or videos to see what the natural or trained response is.
    Step 2: Find common behaviors in response to receiving a type of punch

    Question 1: What do I see?
    So here's what I see with 1 and 2 when receiving a punch to the body.
    Both hands go up to cover. Elbows come close to the body

    Question 2: What's open when the common reactions occurs?
    Ear and behind the ear is open.
    Legs are open,
    Fighter crunches forward.

    Question 3: What punching or grappling techniques can exploit this behaviors identified?
    Knee to thigh
    pull guard hand.
    Hook high
    Straight cross to face
    Pin arms
    Low kick
    Knee to mid section
    Knee to side of abdomen.

    I prefer this way because I don't kneed to know how many combos I can throw. I just need to know what strikes or techniques should follow after I throw my next punch. My punches are based on how people usually react to specific attacks and I'm exploiting that behavior. Be for my opponent can counter I would already know what their reaction and where to punch.

    Compare the analysis above with what you see below.


    There's more to this that makes this process in order for it to work, I intentionally left certain parts out. Just wanted to present the basic idea of it.
     
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  4. Flying Crane

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    I think it’s easy to get bogged down with trying to practice everything. It can be spirit-killing to do that because the possibilities go on forever and it just becomes raw monotony.

    Don’t worry about getting everything. Plenty of it won’t be terribly useful anyways; just because the combo is possible does not automatically mean it is worth training. Focus on those that make sense, get in some good variety, mix it up now and then with new combos to experiment with, and don’t worry about the rest. You aren’t missing out on anything.
     
  5. Kung Fu Wang

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    If you only train what your teacher taught you, you only learn what your teacher knows. You will never learn what your teacher doesn't know. To create your own combos is the 1st step to be independent.
     
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    1. You throw a right hook. Your opponent dodges under your arm to escape.
    2. You change your right hook into a back fist to hit on top of your opponent's head. He raises right arm to block it.
    3. You throw a left uppercut to hit under his chin.

    Have you learned this 3 punches (hook, back fist, uppercut) combo from your teacher? Does this 3 punches combo exist in your MA forms?

    The answers for these 2 questions are not important. By using the scientific method, you have taught yourself a new punching combo.
     
  7. Flying Crane

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    I agree with you. Was this comment in response to my comment?
     
  8. Kung Fu Wang

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    It's how I feel which has nothing to do with anybody's comment. The 7 star praying mantis summary form has "same arm 3 hook punches" combo - low hook, middle hook, high hook. Unless you have cross trained that system. Only after you have learned that most advanced form, you will never have chance to learn that 3 hooks combo.

    How to use tools in your toolbox is your job and not your teacher's job. If you know how to use hook, to figure out 3 hooks combo should be your job, and not your teacher's job.
     
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    I do agree with your position as you have stated it in your last couple of posts. I freely mix punches into whatever combo I want, and I train them. I also do some things that were handed down to me by my teachers. There are also things that were handed down that I’ve essentially said goodbye to. Some parts of the curriculum I don’t like to change, but others I feel free to change and get creative with, and drills and combos definitely fall into the latter.
     
  10. Kung Fu Wang

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    My teacher taught me combo such as:

    - single leg, foot sweep,
    - single leg, leg spring,
    - single leg, inner hook.

    He didn't teach me

    - single leg, body squeeze,
    - single leg, scoop kick.

    One day I asked him why. He said, "When Confucius said that a table has 4 legs. If he showed you 1 of those 4 legs, you should be able to figure out the other 3 legs all by yourself".
     
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    One of our coaches the danimal has a weird spinning back fist for that.

    It flicks up his back like he is arm locking himself and meets your head on the way down.

    It works and is super embarrassing to get hit by.
     
  12. Kung Fu Wang

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    This is the major point.

    Your (general YOU) instructor may not have taught you the "hook punch, spin back fist" combo. But if you use the scientific permutation method, you can figure it out by yourself.

    - Does this combo make sense?
    - Under what condition will this combo work?

    If you start to think about those questions, your MA knowledge will start to get grow.123
     

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