Combining Taiji and Yiquan Principles. Sam Tam

Discussion in 'Chinese Internal Arts : Taijiquan (Tai Chi) and Qi' started by 23rdwave, Apr 6, 2019.

  1. Flying Crane

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    What if what if what if. There is always a what if. When you understand the method, you have a way to deal with the what if’s. Dwelling on a what if is pointless.
     
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    Without "what if", there won't be any computer program.

    Without "what if", there won't be any MA tree.

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    There are always what ifs. I said that.
    You cannot pre-plan then in the way you think you want to.
     
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    Your actually looking for a place of instability and their center of balance. This is why I feel that I need t have some of what is being done in in the video demonstrated on me. I am not passing judgement, I just see a couple things that do not add up.

    However, tension can be a place of instability, especially during an attack by the opponent.
     
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    That something isn't applicable in some situations doesn't make it useless. A punch doesn't work from outside punching range, or if he gets behind you. But we train them, anyway.
     
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    Most throws have a pushing component.
     
  7. Xue Sheng

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    You should see Tim Cartmell's approach to Sun Style Taijiquan applications. A whole lot of pushing and throwing going. As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, every applications, someone ends up getting thrown on the ground
     
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    When you talk about PH, it sounds like a more robust version of the PH drills I've used in Aikido training. And it has the same base purposes (sensitivity, learning to loosen, recognizing the opportunity, etc.), and when done properly translates to actual application.
     
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    I can push you off-balance. In fact, that's easier when we're attached than when we're not.
     
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    And what happens if when you go for a single-leg, the leg moves? There are counters to everything. You're being absolutist.
     
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    If I have grip on you, your balance will become my balance, also I can drag you down with me.
     
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    This is why it's a bad idea to use 2 hands to grab that leg. If you only use one hand while use the other hand to grab his upper body, when he steps back, you can pull him downward.
     
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    Been there, it was rather unpleasant for the guy that pulled me down when I fell on top of him. But you do have a point, that is why there are other things you need to do
     
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    Not always. And sometimes, that's a better outcome (if I can end the throw in a control position on the ground).

    The part I'd disagree with is that someone who has a grip on you always makes your balance theirs. For a good grappler, that should be the aim, but it isn't always successful. Judo players get thrown while grabbing, kind of a lot. Not always do they manage to pull the thrower with them.
     
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    You're making my point here, John. You're talking about what to do if that leg moves. The same adaptations are true of other techniques, as well - likely including those in Taiji. Just as the single-leg isn't useless just because a leg could move...
     
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    This discussion starts from whether "what if" is needed. IMO, without "what if", there won't be any discussion.

    You punch me. I'm down. End of discussion.
     
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    Nobody has said "what if" isn't needed. Just that a "what if" doesn't invalidate anything, in and of itself.
     
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    I used to like Yiquan. Then I learned that they cannot fight anymore. I was sad.

    I believed that it too has succumbed to an excess of theory of t3h iNtErNaLZ while losing the profound study of violence and hurt in the same way how it has happened in most of the IMA scene.
     

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