Choking older folks....

[GojuTommy]

1. Maybe asking people who most likely have no medical knowledge and any who claim to you can’t confirm it, you just ask your doctor for his opinion on the topic at your next visit.

2. If she wants to participate and you’re keeping things from her you shouldn’t be charging her as much as the other students who get the whole curriculum imho

 

[Dirty Dog]

1. Maybe asking people who most likely have no medical knowledge and any who claim to you can’t confirm it, you just ask your doctor for his opinion on the topic at your next visit.

Unless your Dr is an experienced martial artist, they probably do not know how "blood chokes" work, and will reflexively say "don't do it". Because that is generally the safe answer in a litigious world.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

No, they're not.

I did not know that.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I did not know that.

It's one of those myths in the MA world. See earlier posts, but the short version is that it triggers a vasovagal episode.

 

[drop bear]

There is some sort of vascular shearing thing that happen

https://www.kosintegrative.com/choke-in-bjj-is-there-a-risk-for-stroke/

 

[GojuTommy]

Unless your Dr is an experienced martial artist, they probably do not know how "blood chokes" work, and will reflexively say "don't do it". Because that is generally the safe answer in a litigious world.

Don’t think you need to be an experienced martial artist to understand the risks involved with blood chokes.

This is what I find hilarious about martial arts instructors. They love talking about topics that are often fairly complicated without any actual education in those fields.

If your doctor seems unsure a quick simple explanation will be enough for an MD to understand.

 

[Dirty Dog]

There is some sort of vascular shearing thing that happen

https://www.kosintegrative.com/choke-in-bjj-is-there-a-risk-for-stroke/

Umm... A Chiropractor is not exactly your best source for information on this. Especially since there have been a number of quite good studies showing that chiropractic manipulation leads to vertebral artery dissection with resulting strokes in 1 out of 20,000 cases.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Don’t think you need to be an experienced martial artist to understand the risks involved with blood chokes.

Yes. Especially given how many marital artists don't know how blood chokes work.

This is what I find hilarious about martial arts instructors. They love talking about topics that are often fairly complicated without any actual education in those fields.

Well it's a good thing I have extensive training and experience with both.

If your doctor seems unsure a quick simple explanation will be enough for an MD to understand.

And how many of the people here could provide that explanation?
In any case, it won't really make any difference. Because your PCP isn't going to care what you have to say on the subject. The bottom line is that there ARE NO STUDIES to provide a statistical basis for estimating the risks. And most medical providers are no more aware of the details of how "blood chokes" work than most martial artists are. This is shown by how many people here believe(d) they were cutting off blood flow, as well as the simple fact that they're called "blood chokes" despite having no real impact on flow.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Yes. Especially given how many marital artists don't know how blood chokes work.

How does one get rank in marital arts?

 

[wab25]

How does one get rank in marital arts?

A good work out, with some sparring, rolling or both usually makes me rank enough that my sensei prefers my gi washed before the next class...

 

[Gyakuto]

‘Choking out’ = cerebral hypoxia/anoxia. Don't do it at all.