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Shuai Jiao has a lot of locks that are built into the grabbing and throwing material they use to destroy people.
Real shuai is nasty to use as you throw people on their heads or into or off things and break them. keer bamm....
I agree with Shifu Starr, Chin na is in all systems and materials. Some people do not like them as they are leverage based and small people are not going to be able to crank big people around unless they have trained a superior grip strength among other things.
Shifu Starr, Happy New Year! and a belated Merry Christmas!
Be well,
You had better be using "whole body" power as well as being able to intiate the movement or use a distractional impact before someone larger and stronger has latched on.
Its very hard if not down right impossible for anyone small to pull off some of the chin na being taught against bigger stronger and determined people without training other modalities. Im not saying it cannot be done. Im saying my wife who is all of 5 foot tall is not going to be able to crank me at will. Too much mass to compensate for is not physically realistic.
I have taught smaller people(me being 6'2 and 280 pounds at the moment) to be able to arm bar me, but some of the wrist wraps(needle at sea bottom or Shao Tran, Snake wraps the pillar) are hard if they do not get the person unbalanced before they are set in their grappling.
JT, you do South Mantis. Famous for breaking whatever is thrown and beating people down until blood flows. Add that gow choy to your Chin Na/Kam Na and you become even worse to deal with as you are not only grabbing and hurting you are smashing and breaking. Great stuff!
Strength training is overlooked nowadays. Chin na being one aspect that needs a strong specific training to get stronger hands and arms so you can grab and crush when you need to. Hence bag catching in South Mantis as well as other training to develop iron claw ie a stronger hand all around.
Strength training is overlooked nowadays.
catching a persons center?
most chin na is based on manipulating the body/body parts against their natural range of motion. Wouldnt you want to train whole body power as well as sensitivity in order to be able to perform these actions no matter what, rather than leave it to "catching the person's center".
I train so that when and what I touch I unbalance the person and displace them, whether subtley or overtly depends on what is happening. Sometimes I grab and twist using whole body mechanics. I do not rely on one thing but many.
Sorry that I didnt include this before.
Chin na is a whole body coordination that most fail to understand and just twist and crank. twist, crank and get their whole body off balance as you mentioned and you own their ****.
be well,
Dale Dugas
Reading this post and the ones after, I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, but either way I wouldn't consider "catching a person's center" as simple, "one thing" or something you are "leaving it to". If you do not have the person's center (ie. unbalanced them, "displaced" them) you are relying on your strength which is incorrect in my opinion. It will still work 9 times out of 10, but someone with great sensitivity and feel will escape and turn them on you everytime. The best/worst chin na are those that reach their apex while your balance is out of your own control. Those are the most dangerous as well. Many time you can use the chin na to catch the person's center, but without it your simply forcing a technique that could be much more effective done properly.
JMHO,
7sm
VERY well said Xue!There are qinna locks that require strength but there are qinna locks and points that require finesse too. You have to know EXACTLY where and how to apply them. Remember there is an awful lot to qinna