Canada makes good swords

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  1. jks9199

    jks9199 Administrator Staff Member

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    In context, I'd say it was a fair question. But also one that could be answered by reviewing the board. Chris has addressed elements of his training numerous times. You've pretty much complained about your training... and Chris answered the first time you asked. You... Yeah, not so prompt or directly answered.

    So... credibility win on swords? Chris, hands down, I'd say.
     
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  2. donald1

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    Sorry for offtopic but one question could dao training be considered similar to sword training (yes I know dao translates to big knife not sword) but technically it's as long as a lot of swords... Or does it just go as knife training plain simple
     
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    Whole lotta things wrong with your question there Donald. Dao actually refers to a Chinese saber, as opposed to a jian (straight sword). There are a number of different kinds of dao, and it depends upon the tradition that you're learning as to what the training consists of. Since I'm a great lover of analogies, here's one that seems appropriate to me ... it's like asking about "band practice" without specifying what sort of instrument in what type of band. Lead guitar in a garage band would be much different from tuba in a marching band. :)

    So, "dao training" is about as generic a term as "sword training", and pretty much as useless for conversational interaction. :)
     
  4. donald1

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    I practice with liuyedao i atleast think this is a liuyedao
     
  5. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    Close, but no. This is a Liuyedao

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    What you linked was a Niuweidao

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  6. PhotonGuy

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    As I said before, my preferences in swords are my preferences and everybody else doesn't have the same preferences I do. I like the swords I've got but that doesn't mean other people have to like them too. So there is no point in people knowing my background on swords, Im not trying to push my preferences on them.
     
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    I don't claim to be knowledgeable on swords, Im just happy with the swords I've got. That doesn't mean other people have to think they're good swords.
     
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    ... I always called it a liuyedao... But now I know, thanks pgsmith and xue sheng
     
  9. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    No worries, I would only expect an overly obsessed CMA whack job (or as my wife says, "martial arts crazy") such as myself to even notice
     
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  10. PhotonGuy

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    My complaints aren't so much with my training or my dojo but rather with some of the attitudes and stereotypes that are prevalent in the martial arts community itself but that is another topic. As for being credible on swords, I was not out to win in the first place. Nobody has to agree with me on what would make a good sword.
     
  11. Chris Parker

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    Honestly, there's no reason you shouldn't ask. By all means, I welcome the question… however, the simple fact here is that my bona fides in this regard are fairly well established (look through the threads in this section for my posts, for example), whereas your posts show rather the opposite. So, by all means, ask whatever you want in regards to my knowledge and understanding… but at least have the common courtesy to answer the questions posed to yourself as well. There have been a number I've asked that you have simply ignored… ones that could have cleared up your level of understanding quite quickly.

    Now, with that said…

    This isn't what you said in the thread title, the opening post, your second post, and so on.

    Actually, you did claim to be knowledgable about swords. That's the premise of the thread… and most of your posts in it.

    "Attitudes and stereotypes"?!? Dude, I have no idea what you're going on about…

    Let's look at your first two posts, then…

    The OP:

    You state pretty simply that "Canada makes good swords"… which is a qualitative comment. It is a comment stating that the sword you purchased is good (quality)… not "Hey, I got this sword, and I really like it"… no, your comment was "these are good swords". Here's the thing… you liking something is not equal to it being good. I really like terrible, lousy, groan-inducing jokes… that doesn't make them "good" jokes… I really like trashy popcorn films… are they "good"? Nope!

    Then, when asked what qualified you to make the observation that the swords were "good" (note: not that you liked them, that they were "good"), the response was:

    Which is a list of aspects of the crafting of the weapon that you think are important (missing the point and actual question you were asked)… with such comments as talking about what "people who don't know much about swords erroneously believe"… but you weren't looking to be seen as knowledgable?

    Do you want to try again?
     
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  12. Chris Parker

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    Ha, sorry about that… if there's ever any question you have, or want any clarification of anything I've said, just ask… more than happy to clarify anything you need.
     
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    Transk53 The Dark Often Prevails

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    I was not asking about preferences.
     
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    I like swords, in fact I like most edged weapons, my knowledge of them however is confined to what I read. I know how to use a knife pretty well as taught by RM's and I know if a blade I use in that circumstance will do what I wan, I know a bit about kukris having spent a lot of time on shift with a Gurkha shift partner but that's it. I love the pictures of the Chinese weapons, they look lovely but that's it as far as I know so reading what the knowledgeable people write is great, making the mistake of thinking I know about things because I've bought a pretty sword or have read up a bit is touching on the arrogant I think but maybe that's just me.

    Knowing what you don't know is probably a wise saying to bear in mind. :supcool:
     
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    Well I like the sword carried by Clive Owen in King Arthur. The Roman Gladius. Have not seen a real one, other than a museum piece, but held a replica. Obviously can't speak about its weight and balance, but it got the imagination working.
     
  16. PhotonGuy

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    That is what I meant. I should've said so.

    Then I should've worded it differently.

    Like I said its another topic.



    Well then what I meant was that I like the sword I got from Canada. Im not saying everybody would say its good but I like it. And as for trashy popcorn films, if you say they're good than they're good according to your preference. Really, good is a matter of opinion. If there aren't that many other people who like such films it doesn't mean the films aren't good it means they aren't popular. Good is a matter of preference.
     
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    If your asking how knowledgeable I am on swords, I will admit Im not as knowledgeable as some of the people on this board. However, I will not buy a stainless steel blade and I would want something hand forged over something factory made.
     
  18. Chris Parker

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    Hmm… look, to be honest, I'm not sure about that… the consistency in your phrasing doesn't really show any real opening for such miscommunication. Frankly, this all sounds like a back-peddle after you realised that what you thought you knew didn't really rate against the other knowledge here.

    And I'm still waiting for answers to, well, pretty much all of my questions so far… such as which form of kenjutsu, iai etc that you did, how long, and so on…

    Or, perhaps, simply written what you meant… if you actually did mean something completely opposite to what you wrote, of course…

    Even as another topic it doesn't make any sense… but there's little point going through those issues of yours here.

    No, it's not. That's the thing. "Good" is not a matter of preference… "like" is. "Good" is a qualitative statement… it is a claim of quality, not preference. You may note that I never even suggested the "popcorn films" were good… or even that I thought they were good… just that I liked them. That's the difference.

    Well, yeah… of course, the way you're trying to tell us where we can learn about swords (the post telling us to go to Sword Buyers…) may show that as also rather disingenuous…

    You do know that there are plenty of non-stainless factory made weapons around as well, yeah?
     
  19. PhotonGuy

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    OK so Im back-peddling, so what?

    I did it for about a year. I could give the website of the place where I did it.

    Then we wont go through them.

    It depends on how you use it. "Good," can be used for preference. Somebody might see a movie and say the movie was good. Other people might not agree and think the movie was terrible. Still, the person who liked the movie says its good, so they're using it for preference. So there you have it.

    Right. Well than that's settled, and we can move on.

    I know, and I would not buy one.
     
  20. Chris Parker

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    Sigh..

    So when you say that you originally meant to just say you liked the swords, you're frankly lying. You've been caught out, and are trying to minimise the damage.

    Did what for "about a year"? That's the damn question! Give the website, name the system, something that tells me what you actually did.

    Hmm.

    "I think it was good" is different to "these items are good" (quality). Note which one you used.

    Hmm.

    Really? Do you know the difference? Do you know why you wouldn't buy one? Is it based on anything you actually know, or is it based on some false assumption like most of the rest of your posts?
     

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