This is the funniest thread I have ever seen in my life. You do know that boxing was the first sport to ever be televised right. First off it will never happen. UFC is way to big. His the simple answer, Dont watch it! Do you blame the news for showing child murders, rapest, and drug dealers? There are a lot of worse more important issues to address not "should mma fighters wear head gear." They know what they are getting into there fighters.
Ban Ultimate Fighting as well as Boxing...
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This is the funniest thread I have ever seen in my life. You do know that boxing was the first sport to ever be televised right. First off it will never happen. UFC is way to big. His the simple answer, Dont watch it! Do you blame the news for showing child murders, rapest, and drug dealers? There are a lot of worse more important issues to address not "should mma fighters wear head gear." They know what they are getting into there fighters.
Kichigai-no-Okami
Orange Belt
Mabye this doctor chick should put on some gloves , and go a few. She might like it. (Mmmmm.......Chick fight!)
:drinkbeer
UFC aside, few fight shows make money trust me. We have to charge to see shows, there would be no shows else. Costs.....
Hire of venue and staff at venue.
insurances
medics and ambulance
fee for judges and referees
purses for pro fighters
accomodation and flights for pro fighters
expenses for amateur and semi pro fighters
hire of ring/cage
hire of PA system
hire of MC
hire of film crew
cost of ticket printing
cost of printing posters and flyers.
hire of security/doormen
cost of phone calls to fighters etc when making card up
hire of lighting
food and bottled water for fighters and crew
If you sell enough tickets you get your money back if not tough.There's always expenses like fuel, wear and tear on cars. postage etc. Rarely will a promoter make much more than a few quid on top which like as not will go into the next show. As I said UFC and maybe a couple of other big shows can do it for the money (but then they have big money behind them) the rest of us do it for love.
Hire of venue and staff at venue.
insurances
medics and ambulance
fee for judges and referees
purses for pro fighters
accomodation and flights for pro fighters
expenses for amateur and semi pro fighters
hire of ring/cage
hire of PA system
hire of MC
hire of film crew
cost of ticket printing
cost of printing posters and flyers.
hire of security/doormen
cost of phone calls to fighters etc when making card up
hire of lighting
food and bottled water for fighters and crew
If you sell enough tickets you get your money back if not tough.There's always expenses like fuel, wear and tear on cars. postage etc. Rarely will a promoter make much more than a few quid on top which like as not will go into the next show. As I said UFC and maybe a couple of other big shows can do it for the money (but then they have big money behind them) the rest of us do it for love.
pankration is actually one of the oldest mixed martial arts known to man.. the first olympics were based on insane feats based upon fighting,using many sorts of real weapons...they even actually had men fight lions and different animals,kinda like modern day bullfighting but probably alot more fun to watch... What then you need to think about is progress..the gov is scared of it..point blank...the first settlers stole this land,slaughtered all the indians and called it home...Cool..So why only a cpl hundered years later,are we being told that fighting eachother is barbaric??? Why do we care what they say? I mean its the same with the war, US government wants to control you,as they do in Iran,vietnam or wherever else they feel like sticking their noses in... you cant do that ,even tho we can...God bless america....America is based on fighting-for freedom,for individual rights,the right to defend ones self,but to defend ones self mostly from the government and that is the exact reason it was written like that!!!!!..People foget why america was even supposedly created....they take your guns and now they will take your fighting too... just tell me how the hell this happened? who are these people to tell us whats right after people have been doing this clearly for thousands of years,and more than likely since the beginning of man...!!! Can I get an Amen
cohenp
Yellow Belt
People won't ban UFC or boxing. People like it too much. It just won't happen. It just happens that some people are stupid and want to ban everyone. There is a dude who has a website to ban cyclists from cities too.
The only real problem that I can see with boxing and head injuries, is the standing eight count. A punch in boxing that would be a knockout in MMA can be recovered from and taken multiple times in one match. In mma you take one big shot and you're done for the night. Boxing you take the knockout punch like five or six times. If this doctor wanted to accomplish anything she would try to ban the standing eight count.
As for all other injuries, I've hurt myself much worse and much more frequently playing american football than I ever have training mma, or wrestling.
The only real problem that I can see with boxing and head injuries, is the standing eight count. A punch in boxing that would be a knockout in MMA can be recovered from and taken multiple times in one match. In mma you take one big shot and you're done for the night. Boxing you take the knockout punch like five or six times. If this doctor wanted to accomplish anything she would try to ban the standing eight count.
As for all other injuries, I've hurt myself much worse and much more frequently playing american football than I ever have training mma, or wrestling.
NO, NO, NO, never say that again, no more posting ever. Ban Them, Ban Them , Where is the moderator for this thread.
Sorry just kinda went into hysterics for a second there.
OP
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umm...the moderator for the thread? Well one of them would be me, the original poster.
Can't ban myself.
Omar B
Senior Master
You can't regulate what two adults do by choice when it hurts or infringes upon the rights of noone else. It's two men in a ring, it's not like they are forced in there.
I hate governing bodies trying to make choices for us.
I hate governing bodies trying to make choices for us.
DRay
White Belt
You have it exactly right. The standing eight count is what causes brain damage. That's the main reason why MMA is safer. The submission/threat of submission also means that fighters don't just take head shots over and over again like in boxing, again making MMA safer.
TheArtofDave
Blue Belt
You guys don't crucify me while I add in my pov too. The standing eight count is not what causes brain damage. Consistent shots to the head does. Now when you're being punched in the face consistently for 12 rounds yea its going to have an effect. A better way to regulate boxing would be to say no more shots to the head/face but that wont happen because it would take the knock outs out of boxing. There is a doctor on hand, and the ref is looking out for the boxer on the standing eight, if he is no longer able to go then the fight is stopped. So actually the standing eight is a safety measure instead of a guy who lays on the canvas with his brains scrambled getting a ten count. The doctor most usually checks out the fighter to make sure he can go. Even a better idea is for the boxing commission to hire doctors as refs. Of course we're not likely to see that happen either.
Most professional boxers use 6 oz gloves. My brother and I use to box each other with 12 oz gloves, and they hurt but they have a lot of padding. I've never owned a pair of 6 oz gloves so not sure how good the padding is. We use to box the neighborhood kids, and I've boxed a few other people but never amateur, and never professionally. You're not out to kill somebody in the boxing ring, which is what these people are talking about.
In MMA if you cannot defend yourself against strikes you're done. Which is the same in boxing. If you don't fight then you're done. But MMA can also put you out with submission too. Conditioning is what saves you in boxing/MMA. You've got to be in the best shape of your life in order to step into the ring/cage. Lets not forget this doctor doesn't even consider the strategies by each team which are applied by the fighter, and each team is coaching their fighter during the match. It really gives you a great idea as to how effective the over all styles can be. And for people who train in MMA I'd like to see the styles expand to encompass more than just what they promote.
I'm against the ban as well because if you break it down into a strategic science you can appreciate it more as a sport instead of finding every reason in the world to get rid of it. The UFC from what I can tell is doing its best to regulate MMA as a sport, and other bodies who promote MMA will do the same thing.
I think elbows could be dangerous so I would probably elminate those from the sport but other than that one aspect then I can see MMA as a safer altenative to a few of the boxings bouts.
Anyway I like to see a universal set of MMA rules but we can only wait to see if we'll get them.
Most professional boxers use 6 oz gloves. My brother and I use to box each other with 12 oz gloves, and they hurt but they have a lot of padding. I've never owned a pair of 6 oz gloves so not sure how good the padding is. We use to box the neighborhood kids, and I've boxed a few other people but never amateur, and never professionally. You're not out to kill somebody in the boxing ring, which is what these people are talking about.
In MMA if you cannot defend yourself against strikes you're done. Which is the same in boxing. If you don't fight then you're done. But MMA can also put you out with submission too. Conditioning is what saves you in boxing/MMA. You've got to be in the best shape of your life in order to step into the ring/cage. Lets not forget this doctor doesn't even consider the strategies by each team which are applied by the fighter, and each team is coaching their fighter during the match. It really gives you a great idea as to how effective the over all styles can be. And for people who train in MMA I'd like to see the styles expand to encompass more than just what they promote.
I'm against the ban as well because if you break it down into a strategic science you can appreciate it more as a sport instead of finding every reason in the world to get rid of it. The UFC from what I can tell is doing its best to regulate MMA as a sport, and other bodies who promote MMA will do the same thing.
I think elbows could be dangerous so I would probably elminate those from the sport but other than that one aspect then I can see MMA as a safer altenative to a few of the boxings bouts.
Anyway I like to see a universal set of MMA rules but we can only wait to see if we'll get them.
Bodhisattva
Blue Belt
No. I think that's ridiculous. Hopefull MMA and NHB have enough support (reads: money) backing them now that we won't have to worry about authorities interfering with our passtime/sport.
If they do, the fights in Brazil are going to get a lot more viewers from the states.
The reason that the standing 8 count is bad for the boxer is because the effects of brain damage cannot be seen straight away, a boxer can get up and look fine but it doesnt mean that his brain is, the head of a fighter (or people with head injuries ) is usually needed to be scanned by specialised equipment before any life threatening damage is found, its impossiable for the ref to tell how injured a boxer is just by looking at him ( or his ablility to hold his hands up )....and to be honest alot of the time the fight is not stopped becuase the fighter is hurt but more so because the fighter cannot fight.
The big difference between boxing and MMA though is the tap out, in boxing if a fighter is in a position where he knows he cannot win he cant give up without damaging his reputation which effects his career...his only option is to hope his corner throw in the towel or allowing himself to be knocked out,remember its the constant blows to the head that cause the damage not the one shot that knocks you out, in MMA tap outs due to strikes is not looked down upon making it an almost safety net for fighters since if they are put in a bad position they do not have to suffer anymore potential life threatening damage.
