Another Self defence system

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  1. Tony Dismukes

    Tony Dismukes Senior Master

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    So ... like Rugby, then?
     
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    And significant portions of Hockey.
     
  3. Tony Dismukes

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    Disagree. If I'm on the mat when it's time for sparring, anyone is welcome to ask me to spar. I can always say no if I don't feel like it. Admittedly I'm only 53. When I get to be 90 I probably will only spar under very limited circumstances if at all.

    I definitely don't like the idea of holding back info from a student to maintain an advantage. This sort of approach not only hurts the student, but it also hurts me. If my students know how to counter what I do, then it forces me to improve my technique.

    I've seen it in some BJJ schools as well, the idea that etiquette forbids lower ranks from asking higher ranks (or sometimes just black belts) to spar. I don't agree with that at all. Sparring is for learning, and I can learn from sparring with anyone, regardless of their level.
     
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    Doug Marcaida BIO


    Just Google..............
     
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  5. gpseymour

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    IMO, it also hurts the art. If every instructor holds back a bit of what he knows, each successive generation may know a bit less. It would be preferable that each successive generation know a bit more, instead. To paraphrase what you've said before, the aim of the instructor should be for his students to be better than he was at any given point in his training. Not always possible, but it should be the aim.
     
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    One can be famous within a particular group or particular groups. One may not be famous world wide but can be within a smaller group. Famous simply means to be known or recognized by many persons. There is no specificity as to what constitutes many. So within your example of 100 players if one is know by many within the group who follow snooker that one is famous...within the particular group.

    Your opinion on the definition of famous is a good opinion...it is wrong but a good opinion...as far as opinions go.
     
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    Umm ... what?

    Firstly, I know who Doug Marcaida is. The guy teaching in the video isn't Doug Marcaida, it's Fred Mastro. What's Marcaida got to do with it?

    All I know about Mr. Mastro is what I see in the video. I haven't seen him fight or spar, but in his demos his movements are smooth, fast, and precise. Those are all good things, which is why I said that he is clearly skilled in what he does.

    I offered no negative judgments about Mr. Mastro or his abilities. I did offer my opinion on the usefulness of the individual techniques shown in the video for the average students self-defense needs. This is because the original post specifically asked about how useful the system might be for the OP's friend who was considering it for self-defense purposes. I made it clear that I was not judging the system as a whole, just the individual moves demonstrated in the video.

    I also didn't question Mr. Mastro's credentials, as those aren't particularly relevant to the critique I was offering of specific techniques.

    I'm not sure what your talk of "classical arts" has to do with anything. Silat is just as "classical" as any other art out there. Maybe Mr. Mastro has made innovations to his particular system of Silat, but many of my favorite instructors of various arts have done the same. Are you fantasizing that I am some sort of "classical art" fanatic who denigrates newer systems? If so, you didn't get that from anything I wrote in this or any other thread.

    If you have disagreements with any of the specific opinions I wrote about particular parts of the video, then feel free to post them. They're based on my perceptions and understanding developed from 36 years of training in a variety of systems, but I could easily be wrong on any of them. I frequently am wrong. If you have arguments to the contrary, then make them and we can have a productive discussion. Ranting about stuff I didn't say or the credentials of a martial artist who isn't being discussed doesn't lead to any kind of helpful conversation.
     
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    Perhaps pay more attention to the actual comments. There are good points in there, and Tony closes with a comment that the teaching may be very different from what's in the video - which several of us have commented appears to be designed to demonstrate, and most demonstrations (my own, included) are designed to get the attention of the audience, not to teach.

    Nobody has said the guy is crap. Some have had issues with what's in the video. If you have some counter-points, why not post them? I (and I know I can vouch for Tony on this, too) am always open to finding out my interpretation is shaded by my own ignorance of some principle being applied.
     
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    but that's a silly line of reasoning, a few dozen people round here know me, that would mean that i could claim to be famous, in fact using that reasoning everybody could
     
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    @gpseymour and @Tony Dismukes,


    Well I did delete part of the message but you copied it oh well.

    Although I was pointing more towards some other threads in Forum sadly where people just shut down anything for really no reason at all or poor understanding.

    I apologise no offense intended was a little frustrated on other areas of the Forum that's all, I also misinterpreted your post as it was like some of the other posts that have been derailed and off topic and made a mess of, sure I jumped the gone and I am sorry for that!

    I hope you understand.
     
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    And by your reasoning, everyone on MT is famous (because you are a common guy, and you are aware of them).
     
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    why do you keep misquoting me, i said average not common, once we are using the correct terminology that maths applies.

    in order to count as average my knowledge of things ,in this case who is famous, must be the same as a majority of the population, my knowledge of the posters on here is not averagely held infomation, so you don't count as famous, at least not yet
     
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    Cool. Always a good idea to read carefully before responding, but I'm glad you re-read and realized I wasn't saying what you thought I was.

    The part of your post that you left up after editing still references Doug Marcaida. Any reason you're posting his bio when the video being discussed is of Fred Mastro?

    (BTW, I've never met Doug Marcaida, but I've heard good things and his videos look interesting. I would be happy to check out his teaching if I have the opportunity some day.)
     
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    Sorry I don't understand your question

    But this is Doug Marcaida on the left.

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    And this is his training center and webpage - About | Doug Marcaida

    He developed the style from other roots for military use and other applications etc.

    There is a great review online about his development style I might dig online and post it here.
     
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    Yes, I know who Doug Marcaida is. I've watched a bunch of his videos and I have friends who have trained with him.

    This thread (if you look back to page one) was created to discuss a video showing what appears to be footage from a seminar taught by Fred Mastro. Mr. Mastro is a Silat practitioner who has created his own art - the Mastro Defence System. His website is here. Mr. Mastro and Mr. Marcaida are not the same person. They don't even look alike or practice the same art.
     
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    i will take a guess that part of the confusion is that Fred did some videos with Doug. there were parts of the video that the OP posted that came from the videos that Doug produced.
     
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    woohooo IM FAMOUS!! :woot::woot:
     
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    well no, people,who are caught subjecting others to gross violence are remove,from the arena and possibly banned for other games.

    there is quite a,difference to sports where people are hurt and sports where the objective is to cause as much damage,as possible
     
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    Okay, so let's use your word, not mine (not sure why that matters so much, but fine). You claim to be average, yet claim that if I don't know someone famous, I am by definition not average. So, if you don't know someone famous, are you still average?

    See the logic issue? Whether you or I, as individuals, know of someone doesn't determine their famousness. Whether many people do is the measure (again, vague, but clearly NOT defined by a single un-knowing individual).
     
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    You could then be classified as famous...within that small group.
    Have you never heard a phrase similar to, "he's quite famous in his area of expertise" or "that restaurant is famous for its Mediterranean Cuisine"?
     
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