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ghostdog2 said:The list of UFO abductees is longer and more convincing than the "evidence" on this.
What are you thinking this 'evidence' indicates?upnorthkyosa said:This is an absolutely wacky statement. Especially considering...
http://www.stopabductions.com/
Now that is a real tin-hatter!
If you really want to play, you've got to come up with something credible to counter the pile of evidence on this thread. Get to work...
Incidently, this is ironic...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-washgov8jan08,1,1020002.story?coll=la-headlines-elect2004&ctrack=1&cset=true
In the various lists on right wing fraudulent activity posted on this thread, many of the incidents occured in Washington. Apparently, it didn't work so now they have to resort to the rule of law.
My my how the tables turn...
loki09789 said:I don't see anything accept evidence of a very confused and inconsistent system right now.
Tgace said:"There is nothing new under the sun."
but....Trust no oneTgace said:The truth is "out there".
modarnis said:How is enforcing existing laws voter intimidation?
modarnis said:Why does voting have to be convenient?
modarnis said:On the other issue of police presence at voting places, since I was a child going with my parents to vote, and in 20 years of my own voting in a variety of cities big/small/and ethnically diverse (New Orleans was a 65% Black registered voter city in the years '95-98 when I lived there) there have been police officers at the polling places to enforce parking rules, prevent any unrest, and here in Connecticut to enforce the 75 foot rule where you can't leaflet or campaign within 75 feet of the polling place.
Tgace said:The truth is "out there".
And how pray tell do you know this? How do you know if there were parking problems in those areas or not? How do you know if any parking tickets were issued in "Republican Areas" or not? Or security details? Are you implying that the shift Sergeant told his officers "Well boys we have a note here from the white house saying we have to go oppress the black voters in these districts. Williams and Smith you guys are Republicans, break out your summons books." ??? Come on thats a stretch even for you. Are you assuming that most cops are Bush supporters? Theres quite a few of my co-workers (minus myself of course ) that are not.upnorthkyosa said:Because it is not enforced equally. In neighborhoods with high Republican votership, this did not happen. This was also reported numerous times in civil court cases by people who witnessed this unequal treatment. This is Jim Crowe southern style voter repression...
How do you know that the police werent called regarding parking problems near the voting area? Streets need to be kept clear for emergency traffic and some areas clear for fire lanes etc. Turning this into evidence of collusion between the PD and some "vast right wing conspiracy" is silly. I had to do parking enforcement in front of an elementary school polling location on election day. This was because people were parking where the busses were supposed to load and unload. That and post 9/11 security issues. Had no breifing from the Secret Service that morning telling me to make sure that I intimidated people into voting Republican....I've never seen a police officer at a polling place unless one was called. In most cases, I would say its not needed. In some places, the relationship between LEOs and various groups of people is positive and in others negative. Many times, minority groups feel signaled out for whatever reason. Why put people in a fearful environment when they are trying to enact their civic duty?
Tgace said:And how pray tell do you know this? How do you know if there were parking problems in those areas or not? How do you know if any parking tickets were issued in "Republican Areas" or not? Or security details? Are you implying that the shift Sergeant told his officers "Well boys we have a note here from the white house saying we have to go oppress the black voters in these districts. Williams and Smith you guys are Republicans, break out your summons books." ??? Come on thats a stretch even for you. Are you assuming that most cops are Bush supporters? Theres quite a few of my co-workers (minus myself of course ) that are not.
Tgace said:How do you know that the police werent called regarding parking problems near the voting area? Streets need to be kept clear for emergency traffic and some areas clear for fire lanes etc. Turning this into evidence of collusion between the PD and some "vast right wing conspiracy" is silly. I had to do parking enforcement in front of an elementary school polling location on election day. This was because people were parking where the busses were supposed to load and unload. That and post 9/11 security issues. Had no breifing from the Secret Service that morning telling me to make sure that I intimidated people into voting Republican....
Tgace said:You're reaching with this one...
modarnis said:How are police officer's in cars or standing around creating a fearful environment? If you are at a polling place (or anyplace else for that matter) behaving in a manner appropriate for the place you shouldn't have anything to fear from the police.
modarnis said:Try reading Heather McDonald's Are Cops Racist to get an accurate view of what average minorities really think, not the made for TV soundbites.
modarnis said:This nonsense just perpetuates silliness. Every criminal who runs from the police in my jurisdiction who needs to be subdued with a taser or whatever always says they ran because they are afraid of the po-lice. Its never the drugs or gun or other suspicious activity that prompted there running
upnorthkyosa said:You have some interesting historical points and it would be enlightening to see where that research leads...
Currently, though, our elections, if they are only a very confused and inconsistent system, are on par with the third world. This alone should not be acceptable to us.
Then, you HAVE to look at the people who have STATED an INTENT to deliver certain results. Many of these people should never say those things because they are in the position of power regarding elections. In this case, there is good evidence that many of these people "delivered" on their promises...
There is evidence of illegal activity, deliberate mismanagement, voter intimidation and violence, and violation of federal law/constitutional rights. This is anathema to everything our country stands for and should not be acceptable regardless of ideology.