Steven Seagal and Jesse Emkamp

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I respect Jesse Enkamp much more than Steven Seagal. The "training sessions" with Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida might have been nothing more than publicity opportunities for Steven Seagal. It's a shame, really. He had the world in his hands after his early movies.
Apparently borrowed money from bad people & they owned a piece of him. Very silly man.
 

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Apparently borrowed money from bad people & they owned a piece of him. Very silly man.
He didn't owe anyone money. The man was rich and famous.

It was a shakedown, see my previous post. That's when the Mob figures you might be good wool for their earners, and then they fleece you. In Seagals case, they wanted some of that big time Hollywood cash that can only be found in the movies.

Honestly the only reason he's still alive is he's a celebrity, and the Italian Mafia can't reach him for fear of Putin, who would nerve poison entire bloodlines if the Italian families started a war with Moscow.

Turf means a lot to the Russians, as you can see lately. And Putin is a judo guy, I'm sure he and Seagal have had some fun chats.
 

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Yeah. I don't think so.

I think Jessie did like 3 months prep for that fight. So basic fight camp. His brother, who is a legit MMA fighter was his coach and corner. So he didn't lack for good mentorship.

Oliver encamp is legit.
Fights on Belator.

Dan the wolfman fights on ultimate wrestling Minnesota.



The issue Dan the wolfman has is he is trying to make Jessie fight like Dan. And that would have ended up tragically worse.

Staying on the outside. Using foot work to fire off the techniques karate is good at is precisely what Jessie should have been trying to do.

Now if he is not as good at pulling that off as the other guy was at shutting it down. Then that is just fights. Sometimes you are not as good as the other guy.

So for example. Here is Cooper Royal. Also a karate guy. Who is using a similar idea. Just is slicker at executing it.


And this is his 2nd fight. So sort of comparable cage experience.

A title fight.

And is literally having the same sort of issues Jessie Encamp did against that same sort of smother grapple style fighter.

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In terms of Wolfman, I think that he's trying to make it into Youtube for that $$$$$$; by berating other well known MA Youtubers like Hard2Hit, the Aikido Defector, etc. and now Encamp. He's one of those gurus that's been selling stuff like training DVD's, seminars, etc. for decades. Nothing wrong with that.

Those Youtubers that he targeted, would probably get demolished by him; due to his size & strength. He wasn't awesome as Pro MMA fighter, but he's still up there vs. non fighters that are smaller.

Encamp's younger brother is definitely legit as a fighter; I've watched him on Bellator so you have no argument against that from me. I just found that Wolfman's breakdown of Jesse Encamp's sparring was pretty spot on b/c it was mostly tap to light contact. Someone used to sparring & fighting, shouldn't get that flustered like that with being tapped often to the face. I spar with my children like this, and I spar to win but of course, not to hurt them (just emotionally).... and the higher belts are so used to my taps to their face that they just take it, stay in and proceed to try to knock my head off.
 

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He didn't owe anyone money. The man was rich and famous.

It was a shakedown, see my previous post. That's when the Mob figures you might be good wool for their earners, and then they fleece you. In Seagals case, they wanted some of that big time Hollywood cash that can only be found in the movies.

Honestly the only reason he's still alive is he's a celebrity, and the Italian Mafia can't reach him for fear of Putin, who would nerve poison entire bloodlines if the Italian families started a war with Moscow.

Turf means a lot to the Russians, as you can see lately. And Putin is a judo guy, I'm sure he and Seagal have had some fun chats.

Why is Seagal still making 1 or even 2, of them crappy movies per year then?

Doesn't seem like he even cares nor are trying, but just cranks them out. Who's funding this poop and why, etc?
 

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Why is Seagal still making 1 or even 2, of them crappy movies per year then?

Doesn't seem like he even cares nor are trying, but just cranks them out. Who's funding this poop and why, etc?
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