I guess it would be a silly question, Patrick, to ask you if you cross-train or are engaged in any sports.
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I jog, and have done free-style wrestling in high school. I don't care for sports very much so I stick to the martial arts.Feisty Mouse said:I guess it would be a silly question, Patrick, to ask you if you cross-train or are engaged in any sports.
Kata-guruma and the fireman's carry only look alike, in application they are very different.bignick said:what about the fireman's carry in wrestling...aka kata guruma in judo..which i understand kano picked up from watching western wrestling
Like what for instance? The so called 'Jap whizzer' (ippon seoinage?). I'm not aware of any judo type throws in free style wrestling.Andrew Green said:umm.. a lot of the throws in Judo are done in wrestling as well...
and how is this?Patrick Skerry said:Kata-guruma and the fireman's carry only look alike, in application they are very different.
The kata-guruma, shoulder wheel, is performed standing up. Review your nage no kata.bignick said:and how is this?
Dr. Kano openly criticized Mifune's judo.bignick said:there are kneeling versions of kata guruma as well
from Mifune's Canon of Judo:
concerning Kata Guruma- "In competitions, you will be half-thrown, or be forced onto your knees, while still holding the opponents sleeve..."
hmmm...sounds a lot like a wrestling fireman's carry...
oh yes...i forgot...kano promoted him to 10th dan because he was a bad judoka...come on man...give it upPatrick Skerry said:Dr. Kano openly criticized Mifune's judo.
Stop generalizing for an answer, Dr. Kano was a critic of Mifune's judo.bignick said:oh yes...i forgot...kano promoted him to 10th dan because he was a bad judoka...come on man...give it up
and this of course is specifically cited evidence...which you always ask for...and which i just provided in the last two posts...Patrick Skerry said:Dr. Kano was a critic of Mifune's judo.
You could ressurect Kano from the grave to speak against him and he wouldn't give in...bignick said:and this of course is specifically cited evidence...which you always ask for...and which i just provided in the last two posts...
Use a primary source on kata-guruma, Dr. Kano himself, not other interpretations of his technique.bignick said:from Vladimir Putin's Judo: History, Theory, Practice
"One variation of this techniqe is called the 'knee wheel,' in which tori, after grabbing and throwing uke off balance, reaches for the same thigh from inside with his free hand and drops to his knees. Then, using his arms to lower uke's head and lift his legs, tori throws uke on his back."
sounds a lot like a fireman's carry too...
hey...what can i say...i'm bored...running my head into a brick wall seems as entertaining as anything elseAndrew Green said:You could ressurect Kano from the grave to speak against him and he wouldn't give in...
at least i have respected sources...let's see your source for Kano's criticism of Mifune's judo...Patrick Skerry said:Use a primary source on kata-guruma, Dr. Kano himself, not other interpretations of his technique.
So Judo died with Kano and no one else is allowed to change or modify anything?Patrick Skerry said:Use a primary source on kata-guruma, Dr. Kano himself, not other interpretations of his technique.
Unnecessary to wake the dead since Dr. Kano left behind copious documents and papers for the hopologist to research.Andrew Green said:You could ressurect Kano from the grave to speak against him and he wouldn't give in...