Jack Hood's Unusual Left Hook

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The old bareknuckle boxers would throw the hook in that manner.

 
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The old bareknuckle boxers would throw the hook in that manner.
Yeah. That's where it comes from, basically. Most of them were longer range, more of a haymaker kinda punch, thumb down. A lot of folks in the modern "Bare Knuckle Pugilism" community often call it "The Rounding Blow" but where I see it historically documented it's usually called a "Swing."

But this was specifically a hook, which is a little different from "The Swing."

Here's some really good pics of The Swing, in period from:
The Science of Boxing
Also Rules and Articles on Training, Generalship in the Ring and Kindred Subjects
By Mike Donovan · 1893

His description pretty much tracks the same for left, right, head or body:

"Swinging left-hand blow for the head. This is a difficult blow, but very effective when landed. A constant straight lead enables your opponent to expect what is coming. Hence the necessity of deceiving him. Feint him strongly by the motions of the body, as if you would lunge straight for him. Hold yourself well together, keeping your left arm well back, spring quickly forward with the left foot, inside or outside your opponent's left, or toe to toe, according to his position and distance from you, and as you do, swing your left with a halfcircular motion and the swing of the whole body for the point of his jaw, pivoting on the ball of each foot, at the same time ducking your head well to the right, to receive his left or right hand counter on the side of the head. In landing this blow the point of contact should be the first knuckle. (See Fig. 24.)"


The Swing; Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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Thanks for the old photos!

I always find it interesting looking at those old boxing books how similar it is to "traditional karate" in the blocks, it shows the outer, downward, and rising block.

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Thanks for the old photos!

I always find it interesting looking at those old boxing books how similar it is to "traditional karate" in the blocks, it shows the outer, downward, and rising block.

Nothing new under the sun.
I have a section in my Gallery full of photos that I think of as "karate boxing."



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There's a lot more but I'm tired of pasting in the links. :)

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Yeah. That's where it comes from, basically. Most of them were longer range, more of a haymaker kinda punch, thumb down. A lot of folks in the modern "Bare Knuckle Pugilism" community often call it "The Rounding Blow" but where I see it historically documented it's usually called a "Swing."

But this was specifically a hook, which is a little different from "The Swing."

Here's some really good pics of The Swing, in period from:
The Science of Boxing
Also Rules and Articles on Training, Generalship in the Ring and Kindred Subjects
By Mike Donovan · 1893

His description pretty much tracks the same for left, right, head or body:

"Swinging left-hand blow for the head. This is a difficult blow, but very effective when landed. A constant straight lead enables your opponent to expect what is coming. Hence the necessity of deceiving him. Feint him strongly by the motions of the body, as if you would lunge straight for him. Hold yourself well together, keeping your left arm well back, spring quickly forward with the left foot, inside or outside your opponent's left, or toe to toe, according to his position and distance from you, and as you do, swing your left with a halfcircular motion and the swing of the whole body for the point of his jaw, pivoting on the ball of each foot, at the same time ducking your head well to the right, to receive his left or right hand counter on the side of the head. In landing this blow the point of contact should be the first knuckle. (See Fig. 24.)"


The Swing; Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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The Swing, Mike Donovan, 1893
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Peace favor your sword,
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Yeah that is a check hook concept that these days we do from a cover. And it is super useful.

I find fist rotation depends on where the opportunity for landing the punch presents itself. I can basically just keep chasing the guys head by continually rotating my fist.

Demonstrated with a bit of sneaky set up and footwork.


And I will see if anyone blocks it and stays inside.
 
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I have a section in my Gallery full of photos that I think of as "karate boxing."



(boxing wall pad "makiwara")











Hutchison by lklawson

Hutchison
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There's a lot more but I'm tired of pasting in the links. :)

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Love these old GeneTunney etc type of pictures and styles, you can see the similarities to Karate type reverse punching, and something we do in systema, hitting with the flat, rather than the knuckles, whats interesting is the picture of the rib or liver shot, and wondering if this type of shot, if the flat striking part was actually rotated upon inpact to make a secondary strike quicker, horizontal turning vertical so a seamless secondary strike to the chin was an option (something I was taught, by my father, from my gramps, who was a fairground boxer, and similar to techniques taught in systema). Theses are pictures I will download and study for hours, many thanks.
 
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Love these old GeneTunney etc type of pictures and styles, you can see the similarities to Karate type reverse punching, and something we do in systema, hitting with the flat, rather than the knuckles, whats interesting is the picture of the rib or liver shot, and wondering if this type of shot, if the flat striking part was actually rotated upon inpact to make a secondary strike quicker, horizontal turning vertical so a seamless secondary strike to the chin was an option (something I was taught, by my father, from my gramps, who was a fairground boxer, and similar to techniques taught in systema). Theses are pictures I will download and study for hours, many thanks.
You mean like this?


Kid McCoy's Corkscrew Punch
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