Ghost Town
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Bujingodai
Black Belt
The official crowd has "removed" alot of peoples desire to post here. Too bad MT used to be a real unbiased place to chat.
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
And exactly why is that? I don't see the reason.Bujingodai said:
Yes you do. You just wont admit it.Nimravus said:
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
I said I don't.
Because many members of the "official crowd" as Bujingodai called em were very quick to jump on everyone who used the term "Ninja" in reference to their training...
But I wont name any names, or oganizations.
(BTW, I cannot claim 100% innocence in that as well)
But I wont name any names, or oganizations.
(BTW, I cannot claim 100% innocence in that as well)
Bujingodai
Black Belt
Your pretty quick. Neo's maybe not all so legit, but at least we post and give you guys some conversation. See how quiet it is here.
Flatlander
Grandmaster
People are free to discuss what they choose. I wish that posters would rely on the ability of the Moderation staff to apply the Board rules, and carry on with discussing the things that they like.
Here's the deal. The way that the Ninjutsu sections have been structured is the result of a long and not yet complete process that was intended to be fair, appeal to the most people possible, and allow for the topical diversity necessary to bring Martial Talk to a higher standard of excellence.
If someone feels that they are being persecuted wrongfully, bring it to the attention of the Moderation team. If someone is disagreeing with your position on a particular thread, argue your position. Refute their propositions. Use logic. Cite references. Engage in a debate. Express your opinions. Remain civil.
I have to assume that the relative slow movingness of this area is a result of one or more of these possible causes:
- The people who are involved in these arts have nothing of import to discuss online,
- The people who are involved in these arts have silently admitted defeat in the legitimacy debates, and have hidden themselves away in shame,
- The people who are involved in these arts have decided to boycott Martial Talk and discuss things elsewhere,
- The people who are involved in these arts have quit their arts and moved on to other arts, and are no longer interested in discussing these arts.
Or, maybe none of the above. Who knows? All I can say is that the staff here has tried tirelessly to promote a friendly atmosphere where all can be up for discussion. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.
By all means, I sincerely hope that things pick up in here again. :asian:
Here's the deal. The way that the Ninjutsu sections have been structured is the result of a long and not yet complete process that was intended to be fair, appeal to the most people possible, and allow for the topical diversity necessary to bring Martial Talk to a higher standard of excellence.
If someone feels that they are being persecuted wrongfully, bring it to the attention of the Moderation team. If someone is disagreeing with your position on a particular thread, argue your position. Refute their propositions. Use logic. Cite references. Engage in a debate. Express your opinions. Remain civil.
I have to assume that the relative slow movingness of this area is a result of one or more of these possible causes:
- The people who are involved in these arts have nothing of import to discuss online,
- The people who are involved in these arts have silently admitted defeat in the legitimacy debates, and have hidden themselves away in shame,
- The people who are involved in these arts have decided to boycott Martial Talk and discuss things elsewhere,
- The people who are involved in these arts have quit their arts and moved on to other arts, and are no longer interested in discussing these arts.
Or, maybe none of the above. Who knows? All I can say is that the staff here has tried tirelessly to promote a friendly atmosphere where all can be up for discussion. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.
By all means, I sincerely hope that things pick up in here again. :asian:
T
The Prof
Guest
I am quite new to MT. I have noticed that there is very little posting done here. Can someone telme what happened? It sounds as if this used to be a lively place.
Thanx.
Prof
Thanx.
Prof
OP
OP
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
The short recap:
The "traditionalists" consisting mostly of members of the X-Kans and the "Neos" consisting mostly of fraud-worshipers (who follow the con artists of Ashida Kim, Rick Tew and Robert Bussey) as well as students in the Stephen Hayes lineage were involved in a 3-way-dance.
The frauds left or were banned, and their playground locked and tossed in the deep-freeze.
The staff here settled on a generic ninja spot, and 2 subsections, 1 for the trads and 1 for SKH.
Unfortunately, with no one to beat up on, the trads have gone back under their rocks, and tired of being bullied everytime they opened their mouths, the SKH folks shut up.
Now of course, the trads were in the right because they had it on good understanding because they heard it from a guy who was emailed by a guy in Japan who heard from another guy who shared a urinal with Dr. H that SKH was an evil vicious kanid. Really. Oh and he was unclean, and an unperson and banned from the Buj (even though he still travels to Japan and is still welcome in Dr. H's house, but hey, it comes on good authority).
Mind you, I'm really only refering to about a haklf dozen meat heads. The rest of the folks are all rather ok, but have most likely grown tired of the bickering and anal nitpicking, so have either left or shut up.
The SKH area is rather new (compared to other sections) but did start to jump, but sadly some of those same meatheads jumped down almost everyone who posted in heres throats. Me, I'd kick em square in the nuts myself (once I figure out how to do that through a forum...possibly an add-on I'd guess).
Hope that makes sense. :wavey:
Personally I would have liked to see more solid content and less childish bickering myself. But, what do I know?
The "traditionalists" consisting mostly of members of the X-Kans and the "Neos" consisting mostly of fraud-worshipers (who follow the con artists of Ashida Kim, Rick Tew and Robert Bussey) as well as students in the Stephen Hayes lineage were involved in a 3-way-dance.
The frauds left or were banned, and their playground locked and tossed in the deep-freeze.
The staff here settled on a generic ninja spot, and 2 subsections, 1 for the trads and 1 for SKH.
Unfortunately, with no one to beat up on, the trads have gone back under their rocks, and tired of being bullied everytime they opened their mouths, the SKH folks shut up.
Now of course, the trads were in the right because they had it on good understanding because they heard it from a guy who was emailed by a guy in Japan who heard from another guy who shared a urinal with Dr. H that SKH was an evil vicious kanid. Really. Oh and he was unclean, and an unperson and banned from the Buj (even though he still travels to Japan and is still welcome in Dr. H's house, but hey, it comes on good authority).
Mind you, I'm really only refering to about a haklf dozen meat heads. The rest of the folks are all rather ok, but have most likely grown tired of the bickering and anal nitpicking, so have either left or shut up.
The SKH area is rather new (compared to other sections) but did start to jump, but sadly some of those same meatheads jumped down almost everyone who posted in heres throats. Me, I'd kick em square in the nuts myself (once I figure out how to do that through a forum...possibly an add-on I'd guess).
Hope that makes sense. :wavey:
Personally I would have liked to see more solid content and less childish bickering myself. But, what do I know?
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Chappers
Guest
Got to agree with you there, too many people jump on your back as soon as you post anything, people looking for evidence to back up what you say, squashing your opinion and making you not want to post, i used to look at this site a lot but now i just flick on a monday morning to see if there is anything interesting to look at.
Bester,
You forgot the whole "Learning from Videos" crowd who never set foot in a dojo being attacked for, well, learning from videos and never setting foot in a dojo... and that seemed to be a majority (not all, mind you, but Im guessing somthing like 80+%) of the SKH guys who were posting here.
You forgot the whole "Learning from Videos" crowd who never set foot in a dojo being attacked for, well, learning from videos and never setting foot in a dojo... and that seemed to be a majority (not all, mind you, but Im guessing somthing like 80+%) of the SKH guys who were posting here.
We are trying to change that man, really. Post more often... Seriously.Chappers said:
Grey Eyed Bandit
Master of Arts
Gary Arthur said himself that the Takamatsuden arts couldn't be conveyed by books or video, so...
KyleShort
Green Belt
Bester:
Funny though that your entire post was akin to this childish bickering that you speak of. Very incindiary.
In any case I think people are just bored of the same old discussions. Video training is absurd, ninjutsu is a term that should be used by actual practitioners of japanese ninjutsu...the list goes on. Truth is a lot of good points were made, but everything was shrowded in pedantic B.S to the point of being unrecognizable.
Related note, I have been thinking about posting a number of threads recently, just have not gotten around to it.
Funny though that your entire post was akin to this childish bickering that you speak of. Very incindiary.
In any case I think people are just bored of the same old discussions. Video training is absurd, ninjutsu is a term that should be used by actual practitioners of japanese ninjutsu...the list goes on. Truth is a lot of good points were made, but everything was shrowded in pedantic B.S to the point of being unrecognizable.
Related note, I have been thinking about posting a number of threads recently, just have not gotten around to it.
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Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
Actually, I did see in the rules that upto 3 cross posts were allowed for posts that fit.
Of course, Mr. Tews "Marital Science" system has nothing to do with the forus of this forum (SKH/Quest/Toshindo/Shadows of Iga) as Mr. Hayes teaches a real art, not Power Rangers.
The following threads in the Horror Stories forum (where the frauds are) will clearly define Mr. Tew and his "System" as well as indicate what type of "person" follows him.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19028
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19505
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19191
Perhaps since he has finally decided to grace us with his experience, he will visit those threads and answer the questions that his customers, err, I'm sorry, his "students" could not?
Otherwise, please "Morph" somewhere else. :rofl:
Of course, Mr. Tews "Marital Science" system has nothing to do with the forus of this forum (SKH/Quest/Toshindo/Shadows of Iga) as Mr. Hayes teaches a real art, not Power Rangers.
The following threads in the Horror Stories forum (where the frauds are) will clearly define Mr. Tew and his "System" as well as indicate what type of "person" follows him.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19028
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19505
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19191
Perhaps since he has finally decided to grace us with his experience, he will visit those threads and answer the questions that his customers, err, I'm sorry, his "students" could not?
Otherwise, please "Morph" somewhere else. :rofl:
I think that a few of the Toshindo guys were driven off by the efforts of a few people who had never trained in either a Bujinkan or Toshindo dojo to drive a wedge between the two groups. They are now ex-members, but the damage they did was rather deep.
But I think the deeper problem is that if you are going to post in the Toshindo section it stands to reason that you would want to post something specific to Toshindo. And there really is not all that much that can't be shared with everyone in the general section instead.
A few months ago I started a thread about knife fighting in the traditional section because I wanted to specifically talk about how the Japanese knife fighting is done. At the time, there were many "neo" guys who had added watered down versions of FMA to what they called ninjutsu on the board due to the structure we had at the time. When I want to read about FMA knife work there are two sections here on martialtalk I go to in order to get the straight stuff. I did not want to see the same stuff in the thread I started.
But now I probably would have started the same thread in the general section since there is less chance of quasi ninjutsu being discussed. I think the number of things that is of interest only to Toshindo practicioners is rather low. People don't have many questions about the ranking structure like they do in the thread right now over in the traditional section. I think that the Toshindo practicioners should think about what the can discuss that relates specifically in relation to Toshindo and not to the Bujinkan if they want this to be an active forum. Heck if I can think of any topics to start a conversation about here.
But I think the deeper problem is that if you are going to post in the Toshindo section it stands to reason that you would want to post something specific to Toshindo. And there really is not all that much that can't be shared with everyone in the general section instead.
A few months ago I started a thread about knife fighting in the traditional section because I wanted to specifically talk about how the Japanese knife fighting is done. At the time, there were many "neo" guys who had added watered down versions of FMA to what they called ninjutsu on the board due to the structure we had at the time. When I want to read about FMA knife work there are two sections here on martialtalk I go to in order to get the straight stuff. I did not want to see the same stuff in the thread I started.
But now I probably would have started the same thread in the general section since there is less chance of quasi ninjutsu being discussed. I think the number of things that is of interest only to Toshindo practicioners is rather low. People don't have many questions about the ranking structure like they do in the thread right now over in the traditional section. I think that the Toshindo practicioners should think about what the can discuss that relates specifically in relation to Toshindo and not to the Bujinkan if they want this to be an active forum. Heck if I can think of any topics to start a conversation about here.
