Finally found a practical application for the augmented outside block

[skribs]

I was sparring today, and figured the best way to avoid hurting my arms when I absorb a roundhouse kick is to block with me elbow. That's still not quite enough, so I put my other hand next to it as a support. As I was doing this, I realized it was an augmented outside block.

This technique has always confused me in the forms. Placing your hand to the side of your other elbow didn't really help much with the strength or leverage of a block with the hand or wrist. But it makes a lot of sense if you're reinforcing the elbow.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Same principle that

- 2 is stronger than 1.
- rhino guard is stronger than boxing guard.
- use hand to push your fist in an elbow strike is stronger than a plan elbow strike.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I was sparring today, and figured the best way to avoid hurting my arms when I absorb a roundhouse kick is to block with me elbow. That's still not quite enough, so I put my other hand next to it as a support. As I was doing this, I realized it was an augmented outside block.

This technique has always confused me in the forms. Placing your hand to the side of your other elbow didn't really help much with the strength or leverage of a block with the hand or wrist. But it makes a lot of sense if you're reinforcing the elbow.

I'm not sure which block you are referring to, but it's good to see people work the techniques and putting the pieces together.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I'm picturing something akin to a standard knife-hand block (could be closed-hand, too) with the other hand touching the elbow. Is that about right?

 

[dvcochran]

I was sparring today, and figured the best way to avoid hurting my arms when I absorb a roundhouse kick is to block with me elbow. That's still not quite enough, so I put my other hand next to it as a support. As I was doing this, I realized it was an augmented outside block.

This technique has always confused me in the forms. Placing your hand to the side of your other elbow didn't really help much with the strength or leverage of a block with the hand or wrist. But it makes a lot of sense if you're reinforcing the elbow.

It is also a sneaky way to slow down an opponent in tourney sparring. Catching a roundhouse or front kick with a well placed/well supported elbow to the instep is very effective.

 

[_Simon_]

I'm guessing it's this technique, chudan morote uchi uke in karate-land (the faceless dude however... CREEPS ME OUT!).

And if so... I never thought of that application! Cool beans!

 

[dvcochran]

I'm picturing something akin to a standard knife-hand block (could be closed-hand, too) with the other hand touching the elbow. Is that about right?

Agree. Pretty much any block that is getting support from the other arm. Most often down with outside blocks since it is a more natural support.
@Kung Fu Wang 's picture is a great variant.

 

[Danny T]

Great for pushing someone away from you as well

 

[skribs]

Same principle that

- 2 is stronger than 1.
- rhino guard is stronger than boxing guard.
- use hand to push your fist in an elbow strike is stronger than a plan elbow strike.

I've heard the term "rhino guard" used a lot, but I still don't know what it is. Whenever I try googling it, I just get pictures of cartoon rhinos in armor with halberds.

 

[skribs]

Great for pushing someone away from you as well

Can you elaborate on that?

 

[skribs]

I'm guessing it's this technique, chudan morote uchi uke in karate-land (the faceless dude however... CREEPS ME OUT!).

And if so... I never thought of that application! Cool beans!

@JowGaWolf @gpseymour

This is the block. Great find @_Simon_ !

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I'm guessing it's this technique, chudan morote uchi uke in karate-land (the faceless dude however... CREEPS ME OUT!).

And if so... I never thought of that application! Cool beans!

Okay, so literally the block I call "outside block".

 

[skribs]

Okay, so literally the block I call "outside block".

The right arm in the gif is an outside block. The left arm supporting the elbow makes it an "augmented" outside block.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I've heard the term "rhino guard" used a lot, but I still don't know what it is. Whenever I try googling it, I just get pictures of cartoon rhinos in armor with halberds.

It's @Kung Fu Wang's own invention, as I understand it. Variations of the idea exist elsewhere, but I've not seen it taught the way he uses it. Here's my understanding: make a double-fist (hands clenched together) and put it between you and your opponent as an extended guard. Now use it for guard, cover, and beating him about the head.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

The right arm in the gif is an outside block. The left arm supporting the elbow makes it an "augmented" outside block.

Yes. I just hadn't realized my terminology matched anyone else's for that. I borrowed the block from somewhere (maybe Tang Soo Do?), and added it to my early curriculum. I had no name for it (or the alternate), so I named it "outside block" (and the alternate "inside block").

 

[skribs]

It's @Kung Fu Wang's own invention, as I understand it. Variations of the idea exist elsewhere, but I've not seen it taught the way he uses it. Here's my understanding: make a double-fist (hands clenched together) and put it between you and your opponent as an extended guard. Now use it for guard, cover, and beating him about the head.

Sounds like the fighting style used a lot in Star Trek: TNG.

 

[Danny T]

Can you elaborate on that?

On a very simple aspect... You showed, not long ago, a video demonstrating what you call 'clinching' where the opponent is holding their arms entrapping you inside their arms.
Using that as a starting point. When in such a position turn slightly to one side and use the Morote-Uke or “Augmented Block” to push them away from you.

 

[Martial D]

Sounds like the fighting style used a lot in Star Trek: TNG.

It's basically an extended boxing guard with the hands clenched at the end. In his demonstrations he shows it to be fairly effective against hook punches, but it leaves you without any offense.

 

[Buka]

What's good for one is not always good for another.

If I'm sparring and my opponent purposely blocks my roundhouse kick with an elbow, oh man, he' going to catch hell from me.

 

[Deleted member 34973]

Interesting, in Kwon Bup, this technique is used as a throw as well as a push block. I do not have time now, but, later I will right a description of the way we perform this technique.