Bogu kUMITE

[The Kai]

I know there are couple of practioners of this type of fighting. I am considering making incorporating this type of idea for higher levels. Acouple of questions
1.) Are there cheaper alternatives to the "traditional" gear
2.) Can you feel impact? Enough so to keep you honest
3.) are there meets or get togethers where one could spar around?

Thank any input apprieciated

 

[Nashi no ki]

Well depending on what you think is traditional protection, maybe the kendo armour like protection, I would recommend anzen super safe bogu(helmet and chest protector), if the chest protector is still too pricy try a teakwondo chest protector. We dont use hand padding or things like that, so bare fist.

About impact, yes when technique is properly applied a nice bang accompinies a heavy feeling of impact. It can really hurt sometimes. (I even went KO once from a yodan zuki)

There are ofcourse cons and pros, big pro I think is that you can get in close with a technique and that you can feel/ see/ experience what happens to the technique when applied in full force.

 

[Yeti]

I agree completely with Nashi no ki. I once got a broken rib from a mawashi geri to the chest. :vu: This was using a traditional TKD chest protector when I was young and stupid and fighting another individual of the same mentality...control was not even a consideration. However, if you plan on introducing this to your senior students, this lack of control should be a non-issue.

-Mike

 

[RRouuselot]

I know there are couple of practioners of this type of fighting. I am considering making incorporating this type of idea for higher levels. Acouple of questions
1.) Are there cheaper alternatives to the "traditional" gear
2.) Can you feel impact? Enough so to keep you honest
3.) are there meets or get togethers where one could spar around?

Thank any input apprieciated

1) ebogu.com has some good eals on "modern" bogu. There is a link to their site on my website. http://www.geocities.com/ryushikan/tokyodojo.html

2) Yes, you can feel it a bit. On my webpage you can see some photos, the bottom row shows how much you can feel bogu. One of the students is getting knocked down by a punch.

3) You will just have to check in your area. The number of folks that still do this type of training is getting less and and less. More people are going for non-contact type sparring.

 

[RRouuselot]

Well depending on what you think is traditional protection, maybe the kendo armour like protection,

1)I would recommend anzen super safe bogu(helmet and chest protector), if the chest protector is still too pricy try a teakwondo chest protector. We dont use hand padding or things like that, so bare fist.

About impact, yes when technique is properly applied a nice bang accompinies a heavy feeling of impact. It can really hurt sometimes. (I even went KO once from a yodan zuki)

There are ofcourse cons and pros, big pro I think is that you can get in close with a technique and that you can feel/ see/ experience what happens to the technique when applied in full force.

1)The “bubble” masks from Anzen tend to break. I have seen at 3 that collapsed on to guys noses. Not a pretty sight. Plus they fog up and are hard to breath out of.

The type of helmet below works with boxing or MMA type gloves. They don’t normally break and are easy to breath out of.

 

[Nashi no ki]

Actually there is a new kind of "bubble" helmet, which should be safer, and doesnt fog up.

 

[RRouuselot]

Actually there is a new kind of "bubble" helmet, which should be safer, and doesnt fog up.

Do you have a website or a photo of one?

 

[RRouuselot]

A few bogu kumite photos:

 

[The Kai]

Are you wearing the kendo bogu??

Would there be any events, clinics the the midwest??

 

[TimoS]

A few bogu kumite photos

I'll add one of mine. This was taken during our tuesday morning kumite training class (every tuesday morning from 7 - 8:30)

 

[RRouuselot]

Are you wearing the kendo bogu??

Would there be any events, clinics the the midwest??

The top photo they are wearing metal bogu helmets that are similar to kendo helmets.
The bottom 2 photos they are wearing helmets like the one in the other photo I posted.

 

[Nashi no ki]

Not in action but still;



http://www7.plala.or.jp/shishi44/ruru3.htm

The above is a link to a japanese page, which shows the different kinds of helmets, scroll half way down the page. Picture number 4 is the newer version of picture number 3, which seems better.

 

[RRouuselot]

They are basically the same mask. One is made by Super safe and the other by a different company. The site describes the rules and possible uses for each helmet. It says which organizations use which type. The author goes on to describe that 3 & 4 are safe, however, I have seen 3 & 4 types break right across people’s noses leaving some pretty big cuts and don’t recommend them for hard punches.

We actually use #6 on that page which is used by Nihon Kempo and various Law Enforcement here in Japan.

 

[The Kai]

Does the helmet you posted protect your head? (i'm not expecting 100 percent)
In advance i Thank you for your time.
The body protecter can you still feel impact
you don't wear regular boxing gloves do you?

 

[The Kai]

Timo S.

What helmet are you guys wearing??
Gloves??

 

[TimoS]

Timo S.

What helmet are you guys wearing??
Gloves??

The helmet is the same one Robert showed here previously, but that is only a practise helmet for us. In competition were using this kind of helmet

The picture is from 2000 Finnish championships. As for gloves, everybody seems use different types. Some people are using boxing gloves

 

[Nashi no ki]

Just an other remark, like in any kumite, of course a bit of restrain is also necessary in bogu kumite, specially concerning jodan waza.

 

[Makalakumu]

What are the rules for Bogu Kumite?

 

[RRouuselot]

What are the rules for Bogu Kumite?

For us it's:
No strikes to to the groin, back, back of the head. Other than those you can hit as hard as you want.

 

[Makalakumu]

For us it's:
No strikes to to the groin, back, back of the head. Other than those you can hit as hard as you want.

How about leg kicks? Are knees viable targets? How about nage? Do the matches continue when they go to the ground?