A Global One Child Policy?

[Makalakumu]

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2314438

The "inconvenient truth" overhanging the UN's Copenhagen conference is not that the climate is warming or cooling, but that humans are overpopulating the world.


A planetary law, such as China's one-child policy, is the only way to reverse the disastrous global birthrate currently, which is one million births every four days.

This is the kind of stuff that is being discussed at the Copenhagen Convention. To discuss this convention, check out this thread. To discuss this, post here!

 

[MA-Caver]

Are they forgetting how many millions of people DIE over the same time period. Nature has and ALWAYS will find ways to balance out any over population problem... either letting mankind destroy large numbers via wars or through pandemics like the flu and black death plague...

My first thought on reading that is how about a NO child policy until ALL the children waiting for adoption are given homes... THEN start deciding how many children folks should have. Sheesh...

My current flame will be unable to bear children (for health reasons) so we both discussed it long and deeply and opted for adoption when thing$ get good enough for us to do so.

There are millions of children across the planet who need a good home. How about taking responsibility for them if folks want to have a child.

 

[CoryKS]

Anyone who thinks there are too many people in the world is perfectly free to step up and take one for the team. Otherwise... my body, my choice.

 

[Omar B]

I'm not into having kids ... but the thought of other people thinking about it makes me want to have a whole litter.

 

[Makalakumu]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-12/10/content_9151129.htm

COPENHAGEN: Population and climate change are intertwined but the population issue has remained a blind spot when countries discuss ways to mitigate climate change and slow down global warming, according to Zhao Baige, vice-minister of National Population and Family Planning Commission of China (NPFPC) .


"Dealing with climate change is not simply an issue of CO2 emission reduction but a comprehensive challenge involving political, economic, social, cultural and ecological issues, and the population concern fits right into the picture," said Zhao, who is a member of the Chinese government delegation.



Many studies link population growth with emissions and the effect of climate change.



"Calculations of the contribution of population growth to emissions growth globally produce a consistent finding that most of past population growth has been responsible for between 40 per cent and 60 percent of emissions growth," so stated by the 2009 State of World Population, released earlier by the UN Population Fund.

Looks like some form of population control, be it a one child policy, or something more extreme, is a serious topic among delegations seeking a binding international agreement at Copenhagen. How did we get to the point where this soul-less genocidal totalitarian control injected its way into the debate?

 

[Archangel M]

How do we enforce it in third world countries? Or in nations not party to the agreements?

 

[girlbug2]

That these discussions are even going on scares me. Look up the plot synopsis for the film Fortress. It's not a great film by any means but the similarities to the ideas in that article are astounding. I think it presents a possible direction for a one-child global policy, and it's not pretty.

 

[Makalakumu]

How do we enforce it in third world countries? Or in nations not party to the agreements?

No kidding. Maybe we find another use for our military...or I should say the UN's military.

 

[MA-Caver]

No kidding. Maybe we find another use for our military...or I should say the UN's military.

If they can get enough of the same mind set then the Smurfs will be more than happy to enforce whatever ruling that there is.

 

[Archangel M]

Our President has surrounded himself with people who believe in this sort of stuff.

p. 837: 'Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.'

From a book published in the 1970's called Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment...co-authored by none other than our SCIENCE CZAR John Holdren.

 

[Marginal]

Preaching population control in nations where the birth rate is already declining always seemed silly. On top of that, if we do over populate, there are plenty of natural mechanisms in place to remedy that. (Famine, disease, war, disasters...)

 

[Makalakumu]

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme


“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
– Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies


“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
– Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund


“Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
– Professor Maurice King


“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!



“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
– Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute


“The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
– Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation


“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
– Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University


“Our insatiable drive to rummage deep beneath the surface of the earth is a willful expansion
of our dysfunctional civilization into Nature.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance


“The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
– Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview


“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!


“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
– Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit


“All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution


“Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on the earth.”
– Michael Fox, vice-president of The Humane Society


“Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor.”
– Sir James Lovelock, Healing Gaia


“The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point


“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
– Prof. Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb


“A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.”
– United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment


“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor


“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
– Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind


“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier


“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund


“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal


“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
– Christopher Manes, Earth First!


“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
– David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club


“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution


“We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
– Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports


“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
– Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC


“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
– Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace


“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
– Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation


“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
-Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment


“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”
– Al Gore, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize


“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
– emeritus professor Daniel Botkin


“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.”
– David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive manager


“Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send out entire planet’s climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making.”
– Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth


“By the end of this century, climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic.”
– Sir James Lovelock, Revenge of Gaia


“Climate Change will result in a catastrophic, global seal level rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh, Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis.”
– Greenpeace International


“Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it’s here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon – the man-made natural disaster.”
– Barack Obama, US Presidential Candidate


“We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance


“In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point


“The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation.”
– UN Commission on Global Governance report


“Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
– Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution


“In my view, after fifty years of service in the United National system, I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present political and economic systems are no longer appropriate and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet. We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways.”
– Dr. Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General


“Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty to the international community and beginning to create a new system of international environmental governance as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises.”
– Lester Brown, WorldWatch Institute


“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income.”
– Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point


“Adopting a central organizing principle means embarking on an all-out effort to use every policy and program, every law and institution, to halt the destruction of the environment.”
– Al Gore, Earth in the Balance


“Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced – a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.”
– UN Agenda 21


“The earth is literally our mother, not only because we depend on her for nurture and shelter but even more because the human sepcies has been shaped by her in the womb of evolution. Our salvation depends upon our ability to create a religion of nature.”
– Rene Dubos, board member Planetary Citizens

Look into the minds of the people at Copenhagen and it becomes readily apparent that these crazy policies are not far fetched to them. They are deadly serious about them.

 

[Archangel M]

Betcha that all of those eggheads have no intention of subjucting themselves or THEIR loved ones to this eco-utopia they envisage. Communism in practice illustrates that it's ALWAYS about those with the power becoming kings while the rest are serfs.

 

[xJOHNx]

Are they forgetting how many millions of people DIE over the same time period. Nature has and ALWAYS will find ways to balance out any over population problem... either letting mankind destroy large numbers via wars or through pandemics like the flu and black death plague...

My first thought on reading that is how about a NO child policy until ALL the children waiting for adoption are given homes... THEN start deciding how many children folks should have. Sheesh...

My current flame will be unable to bear children (for health reasons) so we both discussed it long and deeply and opted for adoption when thing$ get good enough for us to do so.

There are millions of children across the planet who need a good home. How about taking responsibility for them if folks want to have a child.

That's exactly how I feel about the world.

I'm able to have kids, but I'll adopt anyway. Would be crazy for me not to do so.

@ Archangel: this has nothing to do with communism. Or any other idea of the red side.
It's about control, extreme right-wing control. Under the banner of ecology.
Makes my friends and me who actually go out and pick up trash in the forests, vomit.

 

[Archangel M]

Oh. I know that this isnt about political ideology. I just used Communism as an example because "in theory" it's about the public having the means of production...workers liberation etc. etc. but in practice power concentrates in the Party leadership and its Kings/Serfs all over again.

This eco-political crap is the same/same. Guys like Gore preach the message then fly back to their mansions in their private jets.

 

[xJOHNx]

Misinterpreted what you said, my mistake.

And yes the gap between all talk and no walk is immense.
But then again, we all have the potential to start our own positive domino effect.
As V said it:
"the people shouldn't be afraid of their governement, the governement should be afraid of it's people". So show your governement how it's done.

 

[Cryozombie]

there are plenty of natural mechanisms in place to remedy that. (Famine, disease, war, disasters...)

Ninjas.

 

[girlbug2]

I have literally never heard anybody link ecology with extreme right wing control.:lol: At first I thought I had misread this. Didn't you mean left wing control? None of these guys sound like conservatives to me.

 

[Makalakumu]

I have literally never heard anybody link ecology with extreme right wing control.:lol: At first I thought I had misread this. Didn't you mean left wing control? None of these guys sound like conservatives to me.

I don't think the traditional labels of liberal and conservative apply here, because both sides have been party to implementing this agenda. For example, the Left has been responsible for limiting our personal freedoms with attacking the 2nd amendment and other things and the Right has vastly increased the corporations ability to collude with government and exert power over us. The end result works gradually toward the neo-feudalistic fascist end and calls into question the integrity of the party system in our politics. We can look at these quotes and see what they want and we can look at the major parties and see how both are bringing us toward that end. The more we switch back and forth, the faster we hurtle towards it.

About ten years ago, I worked for the Liberal side of this duality and it took 9/11 to wake me up to the fact that there were major problems with what was going on. In 2004, I kept telling my conservative friends that if we let Bush keep doing what he was doing, we'd really be in trouble when a Democrat got into office. Unfortunately, it looks like that scenario is playing out.

This one child policy is just an example of the things that I think we are going to really have to fight because it IS coming down the pipe towards us.

 

[Marginal]

This one child policy is just an example of the things that I think we are going to really have to fight because it IS coming down the pipe towards us.

It's right up there with silver unitards and flying cars.