Why BJJ will get you beaten or killed in self defense

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  1. Isaiah90

    Isaiah90 Orange Belt

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    Here's an explanation why people should stop teaching BJJ for self defense.

    Little to no striking
    - BJJ has little to no striking. BJJ claims that you can subdue an attacker peacefully without striking or kicking. The problem is that if you have to avoid strikes and kicks to counter them, your art is weak in those areas. If you have to use strikes or kicks, you acknowledge grappling isn't enough to engage in combat.

    The lack of training to deal with realistic strikes or kicks is going to set you up to get beaten. BJJ practitioners who got attacked on the streets were repeatedly punched in the head. Some got beat up. That's not self-defense. More like self-expense.

    The rules in BJJ restrict what you can do as far as striking and kicking among other things except grappling. This video demonstrates how real ground-fighting looks like in the streets.



    No weapons - Second problem with BJJ is lack of weapons training. If you're not training to deal with weapons like knives or guns, you're setting yourself up to get seriously hurt or killed. Most BJJ practitioners who get attacked are shot, stabbed, or beaten to death with weapons. When you grapple, you briefly expose your body to get attacked with strikes. I even tested it out in sparring. Put my opponent in a rear-naked choke and he hit me in the face with a pretend melee weapon.

    Worse, you got these BJJ guys teaching static and flashy unrealistic techniques. They only work when your opponent is complying. They look something like this.



    This is the reality.



    Ground-fighting is terrible for self defense - Last problem with BJJ is ground-fighting. It's perhaps the worst things for self defense. Are you really going to try to put me in a submission while i'm trying to beat you up and shoot or stab you on the ground? Are you going to be hugging and kissing me by then? Taking it to the ground is bad because you can't move well, your vision is limited, your body is exposed, list goes on.



    Let's not forget multiple attackers and the environment. It's for those reasons that BJJ will get you beaten or killed on the streets. It's suitable mainly for sport or maybe if you're a bouncer or cop trying to subdue a criminal.
     
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  2. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

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    Oh god here we go.....tell me have you ever trained bjj or are you just making up stuff you've read on YouTube like most of your so called facts
     
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  3. Isaiah90

    Isaiah90 Orange Belt

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    I use some BJJ techniques, but they are mostly stand up grappling and i modified them to make them work. Other than that, i don't really use the rest of BJJ.
     
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    So that's a no then
     
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    Wow "hugging and kissing" that truly shows how ignorant you are. I'd expect that out of a 12 year old With no training not a grown man who trains martial arts.....
     
  6. Monkey Turned Wolf

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    He didnt ask if you use it, he asked if you've trained it. what is your experience? not years...have you learned from youtube videos/online defense courses, have you participated in job related SD courses (LEO.bodyguard/healthcare), have you trained in a dojo, did you compete in a martial art? You've been asked these multiple times and have not actually answered them once.
     
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    Then there's the answer. In my opinion if someone can't answer a basic question like that then it's obvious if they're telling the truth or not
     
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    Yup. But doesn't mean I'll stop asking it.
     
  9. Isaiah90

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    No i don't see how that's relevant to what i said. It changes nothing.
     
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    So now you're at least actively stating you will not tell anyone what your experience is? Just want to make sure I understand that right.
     
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    Maybe someone should call the United States military and tell them they are doing it all wrong.
     
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    If this isn't satire, it should be.
     
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    So...you’ve never trained BJJ, have you...?

    C’mon, the cat’s outta the bag, go ahead and admit it. Time for an intervention...
     
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    What if I'm a civilian trying to subdue a criminal who has just tried to assault me?

    Is the police uniform or one of those black suits bouncers wear some sort of anti-death super shield that means grappling is good for them and not me?

    Or maybe it's because you think that anyone who isn't a cop or a bouncer should be trying to kill, not subdue.

    You have prison fantasies don't you?
     
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    The time for reason is long past.

    It is now time for ridicule.
     
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    I took a look at his YouTube channel. Most of it seems to be just talking about how this art or that art will get you killed. Not much showing him actually doing anything. From the little bit I have found of him moving, I can just about guarantee he has no BJJ training.
     
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    There’s a shocker.

    Sorry, Tony. You’re one of my favorite guys here. I just had to.
     
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    He’s right then. Attempting to use BJJ will set him up to get beaten.


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  19. Kung Fu Wang

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    Even if you may not like the ground technique, you still need to learn how to get back up on your feet.



     
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  20. Buka

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    This is one of my favorite things written in a long while.

    When you grapple, you briefly expose your body to get attacked with strikes. I even tested it out in sparring. Put my opponent in a rear-naked choke and he hit me in the face with a pretend melee weapon.

    A pretend melee weapon. That is so damn adorable I want to give you a hug.

    But, alas, it is my duty to inform you you are heretofore banished from the Island of Maui. Should you come to Maui you will be turned away at the airport.123
     
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