Tang Soo Do Hyungs According To Rank?

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  1. Ryun Ma

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    If you have them at what ranks do you learn chil sung il ro through chil sung chil ro? what ranks do you learn yuk ro cho dan through yuk ro yuk dan? and how do you divide up the masters forms sei sun, wang shu, jion, oh sip sa bo, so rim jang kwon, and the sword form(jang gum hung) up amoung the masters ranks?
    Tang Soo!
     
  2. mtabone

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    Tang Soo Do Mi Guk Kwan

    Chil Sung Il Rho = 4th Gup
    Chil Sung Ee Rho = 8th Gup
    Chil Sung Sahm Rho = 2nd Gup
    Chil Sung Sah Rho = Cho Dan
    Chil Sung O Rho = Ee Dan
    Chil Sung Yuk Rho = Sah Dan
    Chil Sung Chil Rho = O Dan

    Yuk Rho Cho Dan = Cho Dan (Not required to test till Ko Dan Ja Test)
    Yuk Rho Ee Dan= Ee Dan (Not required to test till Ko Dan Ja Test)
    Yuk Rho Sam Dan = Sam Dan (Not required to test till Ko Dan Ja Test)
    Yuk Rho Sah Dan = Sah Dan
    Yuk Rho O Dan = O Dan
    Yuk Rho Yuk Dan = Yuk Dan

    Sei Sun and Wang Shu = Sa Dan
    "I believe" Jion and O Sip Sa Bo = O Dan

    We have Korean Sword (taken from Haidong Gumdo) Ssang Soo Gum Bup Yuk Bon/ Chil Bon.... and Chinese Broadsword Wha Dao at Sa Dan.

    we do not have So Rim Jang Kwon.
     
  3. MCzapka

    MCzapka White Belt

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    Cheezic Tang Soo Do:

    Chil Sung Il Ro for 6 gup
    Chil Sung E Ro for 4 gup
    Chil Sung Sam Ro for Cho Dan Bo
    Chil Sung Sa Ro for 4 dan
    Chil Sung O Ro for 5 dan
    Chil Sung Yuk Ro probably for 7 dan
    Chil Sung Chil Ro probably for 8 dan

    Hwa Sun for 6 dan

    Yuk Ro Cho Dan for 4 dan
    Yuk Ro E Dan for 5 dan
    Yuk Ro Sam Dan for 6 dan
    Yuk Ro Sa Dan, O Dan, Yuk Dan - ?

    Jindo, Sip Soo, Ro Hai for 2 dan
    Wang Shu, Kong Sang Koon, Sei Shan for 3 dan
    Jion for 4 dan
    O Sip Sa Bo for 5 dan

    Sword form is required for 2 dan
     
  4. Yossarian

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    Scotland Tang Soo Do

    Kicho ill Bu/Ee bu 10th gup
    Kicho Sam bu 8th gup
    Pyung Ahn cho dan 7th gup
    Pyung ahn Ee dan 6th gup
    Pyung Ahn sam dan 5th gup
    Pyung Ahn sa dan 4th gup
    Pyung Ahn Oh dan 3rd gup
    Bassai Dai 2nd Gup
    Naihanchi Cho dan 1st gup
    Sip Soo Cho dan bo

    Naihanchi Ee dan and Sam dan 1st dan
    Jindo 2nd dan
    Kong sang koon and Rohai 3rd dan
    Wang Shu and Sai Shan 4th dan
    Jion 5th dan
    Oh Sip Sa Bo 6th dan

    Plus various weapons forms and a couple of the chil sung.
     
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    I don't think this is standard, but here's what I teach at each level:

    9th Gup Ki-bon Il bu & Ki-bon Ee bu
    8th Gup Ki-bon Sam bu
    7th Gup Pyung-ahn Cho dan
    6th Gup Pyung-ahn Ee dan
    5th Gup Pyung-ahn Sam dan
    4th Gup Pyung-ahn Sa dan
    3rd Gup Pyung-ahn Oh dan
    2nd Gup Bassai
    1st Gup Nihanchi Cho dan
    1st Dan Nihanchi Ee Dan & Ship Soo
    2nd Dan Nihanchi Sam Dan & Chinto
    3rd Dan KongSangKoon & Rohai
    4th Dan WangShu & SeiShan (optional Eshipsa bo)
    5th Dan Jion & Ohshipsa bo (optional Unsu)

    (my Ki-bon forms have kicks and replace the Ki-cho hyungs)
     
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    10th Gup: Kibon Hyung 1-3
    9th Gup: Kibon Hyung 4-5
    8th & 7th Gup: Pyung Ahn Cho Dan, Pyung Ahn Yi Dan
    6th Gup: Pyung Ahn Sam Dan, Pyung Ahn Sa Dan
    5th Gup: Pyung Ahn Oh Dan
    4th Gup: Shipsoo
    3rd Gup: Dan Kwon, Doju San (both are chuan-fa)
    2nd Gup: Bassai Tae
    1st Gup: No TSD forms
    1st Dan: Chulki Cho Dan, No Hai, Jang Kwon (offensive side)
    2nd Dan: Chulki Yi Dan, Ahm Hak, Jang Kwon (defensive side)
    3rd Dan: Chulki Sam Dan, Bassai So, Wan Shu
    4th Dan: Kong Son Kun, Ban Wol, Cha un, Taijo Kwon, So Ho Yun
    5th Dan: Jin Soo, Oh Ship Sa Bo, Ship Pal
    6th Dan: Sa Bong Kwon
    7th Dan: Palgi Kwon

    R. McLain
     
  7. JWLuiza

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    10th/9th Gup: Taegot 1-3
    8th/7th: Pinan 1 and 2
    5th/6th: Pinan 3 & 4
    3rd/4th: Kibon 4 & Pinan 5
    2nd: Naihanchi 1 and 2
    1st: Chinte plus choice (Choose one from: Bassai Dai, Kanku Dai, Chinto, Jion, Sa Bang Kwan)
    1st Dan and above: Any form you want.
     
  8. mtabone

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    I didn’t realize we are doing all the forms in our syllabus...sorry will update tomorrow....
     
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    John, not sure I've seen "Sa Bang Kwan". Do you have a video or other reference to it I can see?

    Thanks,
    Mac
     
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    I've only seen a pretty crappy version here:


    Not my school and I still apologize for the pink gi.
     
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    Interesting, thanks for posting. I don't know the other form, but I agree with your comments that she mixed up Lo-hi/Ro-hi and the other forms videos.
     
  12. Muwubu16858

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    Last year, my teacher decided which forms we were to teach at what grade through 6th dan. My teacher and I both train in many more forms, but these are the ones he wants taught to all general students of our style:

    White & Yellow Belt: Kicho 1-3
    Green Belt: Pyung Ahn 1-2
    Blue Belt: Pyung Ahn 3-4
    Red Belt: Pyung Ahn 5, Bassai Dae & So
    Cho Dan: Naihanchi 1, Gekisai 1
    Ee Dan: Naihanchi 2, Gekisai 2
    Sam Dan: Naihanchi 3, Ship Soo
    Sa Dan: Chinto, Kong Sang Kun Dae
    Oh Dan: Kong Sang Kun So, Sa Bang Kong Sang Kun
    Yuk Dan: Rohai Cho Dan & Ee Dan
     
  13. JWLuiza

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    What were the thoughts behind keeping both Kong Sang Koon and Sa Bang Kong Sang Koon. I love both forms, but see high amounts of overlap...

    Thanks for sharing!
     
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    In a former life, I performed Gekisai - isn't that a Goju Ryu form? I don't actually remember it, but from what I do remember I did like that form and may have even done it with sai.
     
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    You are correct re: Gekisai. Muwubu has an intersting lineage :)
     
  16. Muwubu16858

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    Our Tang Soo Do has influence from not only our main Moo Duk Kwan roots, but also through my teachers uncle Dr. Yun Kwai Byeong of Jidokwan, of which I also hold rank in. Dr. Yun learned from both Toyama Kanken, where he held the 4th Dan with Shihan license in Shudokan, and I'm not sure how far along, but learned from Mabuni Kenwa as well. He dedicated a book he wrote to both his teachers. Because of this additional source, my teacher, as well as myself, practice the whole range of kata/hyung from not only Tang Soo Do, but from Dr. Yun's lineage as well. The final product is the list you see here, as my teacher likes to teach simpler hyung, but more in depth than what is taught in Tang Soo Do normally today. However, his style is the Most influenced by his primary teacher, the late GM Oh Sae Joon.
     
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    WTSDA (GM J C Shin) syllabus, open hand forms only, each rank is inclusive of all lower ranks. Higher dan ranks also include a detailed knowledge of a specific lower form. There are obviously other requirements, including basics, written test, original written work, weapons, etc, depending on the rank testing. The three sae kye hyung are basic forms, original to WTSDA, but very similar to beginner forms taught in most styles.
    10th gup - white belt beginner
    9th gup - sae kye hyung 1
    8th gup - sae kye hyung 2
    7th gup - sae kye hyung 3
    6th gup - pyung ahn cho dan
    5th gup - pyung ahn e dan
    4th gup - pyung ahn sam dan
    3rd gup - pyung ahn sah dan
    2nd gup - pyung ahn o dan
    1st gup - bassai
    Cho Dan Bo (blue belt) - Naihanchi (1st)
    1st Dan - Sip soo
    2nd Dan - Naihanchi e dan
    3rd Dan - Naihanchi sam dan, Jin do
    4th Dan - Rohai, Kong sang koon
    5th Dan - Wang Shu, Shi Shan, Ji Pangyi
    6th Dan - Jion
    7th Dan - Oh sip sah bo
     
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    Which form is Ji Pangyi?
     
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    I just knew someone would ask that. I haven't a clue. It's in the WTSDA handbook as part of the syllabus, but GM Shin's textbooks on forms only go to 3rd dan forms (thus far). I Googled it and didn't have much success. Honestly, I don't think I have ever even heard the name mentioned before I saw it when I looked yesterday.

    Most of the forms from World Tang Soo Do are the traditional, found all over. The names are also fairly common, and even if you didn't recognize the name, watching the form, you would immediately realize which form was being performed. (you know, Wang Shu = Empi, Shi Shan = Hangetsu, etc). This one even sounds different, more Korean. I don't know it, at least without seeing it. I assume that under another name it would be something we might know, given our respective travels.

    I'll email around and see if one of the old-time TSD guys can describe it to me.
     
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    Would it be a cane form?
     

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