Tameshigiri (Test Cutting) video guide

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  1. Czlowiekfala

    Czlowiekfala Yellow Belt

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    Am I in postion to teach them? Really good question - I have been helping students with preparation for various exams - Kyu and lower Dan (with a permision from my Toyama Ryu Sensei). I am quite quite confident in my technique but also aware there is still much to learn for me on the Way of the Sword. But to answer your question - Yes, I think so.


    Agree. This is why I am going to devote lot of time to get know them correctly.

    Nice! I am from Warsaw, Poland


    In my former martial art club - as soon as you reached 1st Dan you were able to help Sensei with trainings - for example teach kihon to begginers. There was no set limit were one was allowed to teach. Personally I think it depends on the individual. Some people after reaching the 1st Dan have a long way to go to teach anything anyone. For others teaching even with lower Dan rank comes naturally. For me it took me about 7 - 8 years of training to start giving some advice about basic techniques :)

    I agree. I have experienced that first handly after starting Katori Shinto Ryu. My way of cutting, postion and many other things were incorrect according to the style ...and that is fine. Different styles have different approaches - and this is what makes them interesting and unique.


    I am used to critique and I welcome it. It is a best way to improve. Thanks for all the comments :)
     
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    Is there a formal point where your sensei gives you permission to teach, or is it more ambiguous? For instance, I had to get a menkyo in order to teach in one of my style, in another I was just asked "hey can you teach today", after I had been qausi-teaching the newer belts for a while.
     
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    dvcochran Senior Master

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    It is a common requirement in most TMA. Often a requirement pre BB testing.
     
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    Czlowiekfala Yellow Belt

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    As you probably know Toyama Ryu follows standard Japanese martial arts rank system. So in my former club there were six students ranks (from 6th Kyu to 1st Kyu) - and then Dan Ranks. Formal point for giving instructions was 1st Dan, however sometimes students with 1st Kyu were showing some basic things (such as postions or how to hold a sword) to beginners. Personally for me it took 6 years to reach the 1st Dan ( I am a slow learner :) ) Is the 1st Dan too early to start giving instructions? As I mentioned before I think it depends on the individual.
     
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    Hmm... not exactly what I'm asking. My apologies if I wasn't clear... I wasn't asking if you felt like you were able to teach, or comfortable with your skill level to teach... I was asking if you had authority to teach Toyama Ryu material... and, a follow up, if you attained a teaching rank/authority, does that remain if you have left the school?

    Okay.

    Cool, thanks for that! I'm assuming you're with Rafal, then?

    Okay... helping sensei is one thing... but I was asking about the specific requirements and regulations of Toyama Ryu... not a personal, individual thing. And, again, the question is, if Toyama Ryu has a specific grade to allow you to be an instructor, have you reached it? If so, does the authority remain if you leave the school, to enable you to teach their material? If not, under what authority do you teach?

    Basically, I'm asking if you have permission to teach Toyama Ryu material if you are no longer part of the group. When it comes to Koryu (such as Katori Shinto Ryu), it would be an absolute no, if you left, regardless of rank attained (save for Menkyo Kaiden or similar, and even then in certain circumstances). If you don't, I might suggest changing your approach to more of your own personal expression... your call, of course, but such things can be looked down upon by others... which could hamper further progress if you're seen as disrespecting the views and authority of your former school. Oh, but don't put any Shinto Ryu up without checking with your teacher (Rafal?) first... and don't be upset if/when the answer is no... we're quite protective that way.

    Sure... but understanding why is the real key....

    No problem.

    I'm going to break up the next part... purely for clarification.

    While there are certain similarities between a number of Japanese martial systems, there really is no such thing as a "standard" rank system, other than one that is standardised to the particular art/organisation it's being applied to... hence the questions. For example, many of the Gendai budo, particularly Iaido, Jodo, Jukendo, Atarashii Naginata etc, have a requirement of Godan (5th Dan) to be qualified as an instructor... but other arts don't have that requirement. Then, the application of dan ranking is always particular to the group... then you have the older ranking forms, particularly menkyo-ranking (licensing). They don't actually even refer to ranking in the same thing, or with the same criteria.... the Dan ranking approach is a modern one, and first applied by Jigoro Kano to indicate skill attained... whereas Menkyo ranking was more about authority within the school and the amount of material that had been covered... some schools apply ranking to incorporate both... others don't...

    Cool. Was Shodan the formal ranking for teaching in the dojo, or in Toyama Ryu itself? Just interested here, really.

    Ha, well, if you think that's slow......... Sugino-dojo Shinto Ryu might be quite a shock for you! We recently had two students grade to Shodan in Perth, each of which have been training well over a decade...

    It depends on the school, really... far more than the individual. After all, what is 1st Dan? It's only what the school itself says it is....
     
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    Ok. You mean do I have something like official document that allows me to teach, etc? Besides Dan Rank certifications from Japan, no. Being in my school or not I still have the rank, but of course whether this is enough authority to teach - hmm, it is a difficult question to answer and it really depends on the perspective. If some people will look down due to lack of back up from the school that is perfectly ok. As long as others will find the videos usefull - this is all I hope for :)


    Actually no. I am practicing with his former students who left the club some time ago. As a group we have official permission from Sugino Sensei to exist. Of course we take part in official seminars ect.The group's name is Toriigakure.

    No worries - as for Katori Shinto Ryu I consider myself a beginner. I am not going to create videos about school that I have no knowledge about it. Same goes with Shinkendo.123
     

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